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Did this have hyperlinks originally?
Found a different copy with links. It's not censored since it predates the filter change, but I'll also post a censored version below for convenience (the reason I just put 'P' for the spoiler text is that the original post is 9984 characters, meaning I only have 16 characters I can add)
edit: lmao I made the same formatting mistake I was just explaining elsewhere. Will have to strip off the beginning fluff to fit the backslashes, gimme a sec...done. All I removed was
from the top
edit again: if anyone's wondering how I fixed the URL containing a filtered word, I just percent-encoded
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. Normally percent encoding is done for special characters like brackets, parentheses, and slashes, but you can percent encode any character. Honestly never tried it for alphanumerics before, but it worked! You can just look up the letter in an ASCII table and replace the letter with %[hex value].Post
That is a direct quote from Stalin which you can easily find. But of course it is even easier to find western propaganda.
Another quote from the book Browder & Kerensky, 1961.
After the war Soviet officers began mass executing thousands of their own soldiers. The reason? War r*pe. Almost all Russian WW2 historians support this. One such example is Oleg Rzheshevky.
And
Now this article is perfect for what you are looking for. (Google translate works better than expected.) And will be the primary source I will be quoting. (Although I will also be posting the name of books I am quoting in brackets.) That is also the source for the Oleg Rzheshevsky comment.
The myth that Stalin and other high ranking officials at the time ordered the mass r*pe of civilians of any nation is not only entirely wrong but also had 2 primary origins and one secondary. The two primary origins were Anthony Bivor and goebbels. Goebbels began the myth that the red army was so ruthless and ravenous that they would r*pe any woman aged 10-70.
This was where the r*pe of millions myth began. His evidence for the r*pes themselves began with him using one unidentified r*pe as a way to mobilize civilians to rise against the, and I quote, "Russian Mongol savages." Sadly I no longer have a source for that last part. (as the link I used to use no longer works) Also notice the statement of "The behavior of the Soviet soldiers can be seen as an explicit system." Direct propaganda.
Anthony took this a step further.
With no evidence he claimed two million people were r*ped. TWO MILLION... He is one of the primary source for all western historians... To give you an idea of their validity. He is basically the big black book of Communism but for the Red army.
Now the secondary source is the book and individual who started the myth that Stalin told his soldiers to start r*ping. The book and individual in question are, "Conversations with Stalin" by Milovan Djilas. The book was what first stated that Stalin and other officials ordered the r*pe of civilians. (The book itself being as factual as the black book)
Now to give you an idea of how trustworthy Milovan is, he hated and slandered Stalin any chance he got. He felt that khrushchev was a far smarter, cunning, intelligent, and capable leader. And also has a book praising Gorbachev to the point of claiming he was not only a great leader, but he did the right thing.
With all that in mind we can come to a few conclusions.
Now do not mistake what I am saying as justification or defence of the r*pists in the Red army. Or denial that any r*pes even happened. No they were monsters and deserved to be shot and the r*pes definitely did happen. But it was only a few thousand soldiers committing these acts and the majority were shot. And every last one of them deserved a bullet, to be hung, some probably even torture. And the majority got it. So please do not mistake this as apologia. (I had someone accuse me of it once hence this whole paragraph.)
Now as a little bonus I will give you a prime example of the trustworthiness and hypocrisy of western historians.
The mass r*pe of Japanese civilians by amerikan soldiers. This will be the article I am referencing. The article itself is well sourced. Although it also spews propaganda about the Soviet union (taking a centrist, everyone is equally terrible and the Soviets were just as bad as the Nazis perspective) it is still a great article.
Now shortly after the occupation of Japan mass r*pe by U$ soldiers was so rampant that after 10 days they stopped keeping count. (and began to cover it up, which can be read in the article I linked) In fact,
Just one prefecture in 10 days. Yet the western historian numbers for the entire country (when they are actually willing to admit r*pe happened) is never higher than ten thousand. Although they frequently deny that any r*pes happened. (Unlike the Soviet and Russian historians that admit that some of their soldiers did commit these acts.) Even though it is well documented with actual credible resources. On top of that the U$ actually did sanction the r*pe of civilians (also in the article I linked) in both allowing the r*pe of them, and working with the emperor to have forced comfort women ready for the U$ soldiers. Also only 3 individuals were ever tried for r*pe, all 3 were black. (As opposed to the 4000-5000 Soviet soldiers who were tried and executed.) They also silenced any Japanese civilians who attempted to oppose their crimes and made it illegal to write newspapers or comment against their occupation or the bombs until 1952.
There is more but this is already a wall of text so I will stop for now. But you should also look into the r*pe of Germany by U$ soldiers. The amerikans worked hard to try and cover up their crimes and worked with the former Nazis to make the Red army out to be savages while their own soldiers were heroes. Their soldiers also mass r*ped likely far more.
I hope this helped comrade and was what you were looking for. Also sorry for the wall of text. And I am not sure about the NKVD committing atrocities (that sounds like western propaganda.) But then again, I do not know as much about the subject. Still though, I would be suspicious of such claims.
Well that was super depressing to write about so I am probably going to lie down for awhile.
I will finish this with one final significant quote.
credit to u/A_Serene_Ocean on reddit
I appreciate the effort
Yes, I think so
trud article (first one) = https://www.trud.ru/article/21-07-2005/90824_nasilie_nad_faktami/print/
mass SA in Japan = https://uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com/2012/10removed-abuse-japanese-women-american-soldiers.html?m=1
"u/MrSkullgrinder" note = https://old.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/7eeiql/sources_on_war_crimes_and_atrocities_committed_by/
Thank you
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Only one at the end to the original post, which also didn't had any.
Nah, I recount three