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[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

What's wild to me is that there hasn't been any significant resistance from within Ukraine to their own leadership sacrificing them all to Russia

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 24 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

CW: mention of torture, murder

From what I understand state repression has been very thorough for a long time. They shut down all opposition media, all opposition parties, and their internal police have been hunting dissidents to be tortured, imprisoned, or killed. Many, many people have fled the country. They've also presumably got all of NATO's intelligence goons helping them out to suppress dissent.

There has been a lot of dissent and resistance the whole time. There's been a great deal of refusal to to show up at draft offices, large bodies of troops have abandoned the front to the point where the army has been offering all kinds of perks to keep soldiers in place. idk the extent or if it's organized and whatever is happening is certainly being suppressed to keep it out of the media, but there is resistance. Ukraine isn't a monolith.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Just surprising that there hasn't been enough of an organized resistance to hear anything about it. There are millions of Ukrainians who have left the country and aren't being repressed by their government who could be speaking out or organizing in some way

[–] GaryLeChat@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I think something to consider here is anyone who fled to the West would live under the threat of being returned if they went against what their receiving country wants.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I think there were pushes to round up would-be conscripts and deport them back to Ukraine to ~~fight~~ die. I remember reading about it either being implemented or discussed a while back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis

NATOpedia says that ~3.7m conscription aged men are either dead, fled, or in hiding.

Several social media groups containing tens of thousands of members were created to alert men to the movements of mobilization officers so they could evade confrontation.

Yeah, looks like there is organized resistance. We're just not hearing about it much.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-needs-soldiers-fight-russia-men-dodging-draft-zelenskyy-rcna152121