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A space for masculine folks to talk about living under patriarchy.
Detoxing masculinity since 1990!
You don’t get points for feminism, feminism is expected.
Guidelines:
- Questions over blame
- Humility over pride
- Wisdom over dogma
- Actions over image
Rules (expansions on the guidelines):
- Mistakes should be learning experiences when possible.
- Do not attack comrades displaying vulnerability for what they acknowledge are mistakes.
- If you see good-faith behavior that's toxic, do your best to explain why it's toxic.
- If you don't have the energy to engage, report and move on.
- This includes past mistakes. If you've overcome extreme reactionary behavior, we'd love to know how.
- A widened range of acceptable discussion means a greater need for sensitivity and patience for your comrades.
- Examples:
- "This is reactionary. Here's why."
- "I know that {reality}, but I feel like {toxicity}"
- "I don't understand why this is reactionary, but it feels like it {spoilered details}"
- You are not entitled to the emotional labor of others.
- Constantly info-dumping and letting us sort through your psyche is not healthy for any of us.
- If you feel a criticism of you is unfair, do not lash out.
- If you can't engage self-critically, delete your post.
- If you don't know how to phrase why it's unfair, say so.
- No singular masculine ideal.
- This includes promoting gender-neutral traits like "courage" or "integrity" as "manly".
- Suggestions for an individual to replace a toxic ideal is fine.
- Don't reinforce the idea the fulfillment requires masculinity.
- This also includes tendency struggle-sessions.
- No lifestyle content.
- Post the picture of your new grill in !food (feminine people like grills too smh my head).
- Post the picture of the fish you caught in !sports (feminine people like fish too smdh my damn head).
- At best, stuff like this is off-topic. At worst, it's reinforcing genders norms..
- If you're not trying to be seen as masculine for your lifestyle content, it's irrelevant to this comm. If you are trying to be seen as masculine, let's have a discussion about why these things are seen as masculine.
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*The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love by Bell Hooks
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I have to preface this by saying that, while being generally aware of feminist concepts and terms, I have not really read any explicitly feminist theory. I always got the impression that it was not “for me” as it came from a place so removed from my own lived experience, often with no regard for it or outright contempt and hostility. I could engage with and understand how damaging and oppressive patriarchal structures are to women and queer people but didn’t fully grasp just how much it impacts me as a cishet man. I realize that it’s lazy and incredibly self centered to not engage more deeply on subjects that are not directly relevant to me as a person but can’t deny that I struggle to get deeply invested in theory I don’t find some emotional resonance in. If I only engage with something on a purely intellectual level without being able to apply it to lived experiences and critically examine the way those concepts interact with some baseline that’s more intimately familiar it tends to fall flat.
All of that is to say that I’m coming into this book pretty blind so I’m being totally mind blown by concepts that are likely already well trodden for many here. I have a lot more thoughts I’d like to share but feel I should probably just re read the first two chapters again to fine tune them to the actual text rather than going off on an excited but uninformed tangent