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"Well I could start a meaningful discussion about the accuracy of the data or I could say something smug that downplays human suffering. Nobody can disprove that I'm a smuglord and I can't be bothered defending my assumptions by looking for alternate data. So this is a no brainer (just like me)"
I don't think I can really start a "meaningful discussion" here, can I? The image didn't even define how does it count a death to be caused by capitalism to start with. It just points to anything happen in the world and says "it's capitalism".
You? Apparently not. But to the best of their ability people answer honest questions here. "If capitalism is so great and a shirt travels the world 5 times before getting to the shop why're there tens of millions without access to sanitation and clean water" is a fair question.
Also, the high estimates of the famines in socialist states are measured exactly in the manmer you decried. If you could read the bottom text, you'd underatand this is intentional.
So in other words, they are both wrong? What is the point of using a measuring method you don't agree with in the first place?
Let’s underestimate the deaths then for the sake of argument.
There are about 9 million annual hunger deaths globally, so a quite conservative estimate for the figure total would easily be 10 million.
The point still stands that even if communism had really been responsible for 100 million deaths (spoiler: it isn’t), capitalism actually hits this every decade.
Er, I still can't understand how everything happens in the world must be caused by Capitalism. So that 10 millions deaths per decade would be 0 if we all abandon Capitalism?
Yes, because capitalism is the means by which these inequalities exist where some people have unfathomable billions and some people can’t even get access to food.
A socialist planet would realize we could make further strides for the mutual benefit of everyone if we weren’t wasting the intellectual potential of millions depriving them of basic human needs and act accordingly.
So inequalities don't exist in socialist countries like China or India?
Whenever you hear about those "the world is getting better and better every day, nearly a billion people have come out of poverty in the last X years" statistics, just know, all of those people were pulled out of poverty in China, by their (kinda) socialist government.
Few people if any come out of poverty in capitalist countries and countries imperialized from the West (rather, as many people fall into poverty as get out of poverty).
Socialism is pulling people out of poverty, feeding them, housing them, give them healthcare, etc. Capitalist nations keep the global south poor in order to exploit cheap labor.
It's about trends and direction. The USSR back in it's growth days pulled 300 million people out of poverty. This is a core feature of communism, to feed, house, and heal, every single person.
Since when did India become a socialist country?
Also, there is a big difference between a socialist planet and a socialist country. China has to tightrope a planet of capitalism that would happily cut them off like it did to North Korea. They have chosen a strategy of improving its society while attracting foreign investment to keep the doors open, and it’s paying off well, as the standard of living for its people increases, and China becomes an essential part of the world economy.
It is listed under "Current socialist states" in wiki?
Just having the word “socialist” appear in the constitution does not make them AES.
The current government is the right-wing NDA coalition.
lol, what is this bullshit? The page says Portugal is socialist.
They do but Socialists are working to make those inequalities smaller whereas Capitalism is working to make the inequalities bigger.