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Yes we can have companionship at the drop of a hat! It’s called friendship. It’s called being a real friend to your friends
No shit, but incels view anything with women in a totally transactional manner with sex involved so the idea of being friends with the opposite sex without fucking is alien to them.
The absolute irony of this is that they view everything with women in a transactional manner yet are unwilling to pay a sex worker for the sex they want. 🤦🏼♀️
Having spent some time in the mra/mgtow adjacent manosphere during my shithead phase they absolutely don't want to because it like doesn't "count" according to them if you pay for sex. It feels like it's just moving the goal posts so they can remain stuck in their misery of being lonely tbh
Honestly, I can see how the conclusion follows from the incredibly fucked premise.
A common assumption in society is that if you are a virgin past a certain age, it must be because you're a completely repulsive, inferior human being. Having sex thus becomes the only way to prove that you have some sort of redeeming value, that you aren't some subhuman abomination. Sex with a prostitute doesn't confer this humanizing legitimacy because a prostitute doesn't really want to have sex with you; they're just willing to put up with doing so for money, much in the same way that a sewer worker is willing to wade in feces for a paycheck.
Yeah it follows a painful fucked logic.
Oh I was bad, totally into incel shit and fashy memes off 4chan. Not to excuse it but I was heavily drinking at the time too. Stereotypical it was right after a break up with a woman I wanted to marry so I was super bitter.
I'm sorry if I am wrong, but it doesn't seem to me like there is any "moving of the goal posts" or "painful fucked up logic" here. It is not at all strange or weird or wrong to want to be wanted for yourself. There seems to me to be a clear difference between sex with an intimate partner who also desires sex with you for the sake of it, and the clearly transactional nature of employing the services of a sex worker. It is only if we buy into the patriarchal misogynistic transactional logic of the incel themselves that these two acts are at all comparable. (sorry if there is some misogynistic logic in my argument or if there is something I am missing here (please tell me if there is), but I just really don't know how to read your posts in any other way (edit: like i can't read your post in any other way than it criticizing incels for not following through in their misogynistic logic, as if that logic in itself wasn't the problem to begin with))
I gotta admit, it certainly doesn't feel like friendship is something that can be found at the drop of a hat either these days.
This is fair, making new friends can be hard. Doing activities you enjoy can help but it’s definitely much harder as an adult. Just like romantic relationships, finding friendship requires making an effort and putting yourself out there. The average incel doesn’t seem willing or able to do those things.
friends is probably harder. my long-term relationship lasted years longer than any platonic acquaintance, which were all some centered on some task or event and dissolved each time as everyone went home.