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A space for masculine folks to talk about living under patriarchy.

Detoxing masculinity since 1990!

You don’t get points for feminism, feminism is expected.

Guidelines:

  1. Questions over blame
  2. Humility over pride
  3. Wisdom over dogma
  4. Actions over image

Rules (expansions on the guidelines):

  1. Mistakes should be learning experiences when possible.
    • Do not attack comrades displaying vulnerability for what they acknowledge are mistakes.
    • If you see good-faith behavior that's toxic, do your best to explain why it's toxic.
    • If you don't have the energy to engage, report and move on.
    • This includes past mistakes. If you've overcome extreme reactionary behavior, we'd love to know how.
    • A widened range of acceptable discussion means a greater need for sensitivity and patience for your comrades.
    • Examples:
      • "This is reactionary. Here's why."
      • "I know that {reality}, but I feel like {toxicity}"
      • "I don't understand why this is reactionary, but it feels like it {spoilered details}"
  2. You are not entitled to the emotional labor of others.
    • Constantly info-dumping and letting us sort through your psyche is not healthy for any of us.
    • If you feel a criticism of you is unfair, do not lash out.
    • If you can't engage self-critically, delete your post.
    • If you don't know how to phrase why it's unfair, say so.
  3. No singular masculine ideal.
    • This includes promoting gender-neutral traits like "courage" or "integrity" as "manly".
    • Suggestions for an individual to replace a toxic ideal is fine.
    • Don't reinforce the idea the fulfillment requires masculinity.
    • This also includes tendency struggle-sessions.
  4. No lifestyle content.
    • Post the picture of your new grill in !food (feminine people like grills too smh my head).
    • Post the picture of the fish you caught in !sports (feminine people like fish too smdh my damn head).
    • At best, stuff like this is off-topic. At worst, it's reinforcing genders norms..
    • If you're not trying to be seen as masculine for your lifestyle content, it's irrelevant to this comm. If you are trying to be seen as masculine, let's have a discussion about why these things are seen as masculine.

Resources:

*The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love by Bell Hooks

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CW: chapter 2 contains a detailed description of child abuse by a parent

Hello comrades, it's time for our second discussion thread for The Will to Change, covering Chapters 2 (Understanding Patriarchy) and 3 (Being a Boy). Thanks to everyone who participated last week, I’m looking forward to hearing everyone’s thoughts again. And if you’re just joining the book club this week, welcome!

In Ch.2 hooks defines patriarchy, how it is enforced by parental figures and society at large, and the struggle of antipatriarchal parents to raise children outside of these rigid norms when the border culture is so immersed in them. Ch.3 delves deeper into the effects of patriarchy on young boys and girls and the systemic apparatuses that reinforce gender norms.

If you haven't read the book yet but would like to, its available free on the Internet Archive in text form, as well as an audiobook on Youtube with content warnings at the start of each chapter, courtesy of the Anarchist Audio Library, and as an audiobook on our very own TankieTube! (note: the YT version is missing the Preface but the Tankietube version has it)

As always let me know if you'd like to be added to the ping list!

Our next discussion will be on Chapters 4 (Stopping Male Violence) and 5 (Male Sexual Being), beginning on 12/11.

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[–] BrezhnevsEyebrows@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A ten-second wordless transaction was powerful enough to dissuade my son from that instant forward from what had been a favorite activity. I call such moments of induction the "normal traumatization" of boys.

I've recounted this story here before but when I was a little kid I used to let my mom paint my nails because I thought it was fun. This continued until one day at the park other boys laughed at me for my painted nails and told me that only girls paint their nails. After this I never painted my nails again. Although I don't think I would do it now--it's not for me--I have worked in recent years to broaden my conception of what I'm allowed to do as a man. It's very frustrating to me, though, and more than a little scary, that no matter how much you do at home to nurture boy children it all goes away the second they leave the house and put themselves at risk of patriarchal bullying.

This story also emphasizes to me that a lot of gender, but especially masculinity, especially today, is defined by what one is not allowed to do. Painting my nails, wearing jewelry with gemstones, shaking my hips when i dance, etc. is all "feminine" and therefore not allowed for a lot of men.

[–] dumples@midwest.social 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A lot of current masculinity is defined as the opposite of being feminine. That is why its so threatening when woman say that woman can do anything. So by logic a man can do nothing since being a man is the opposite of being feminine. That is why people find it so threatening since its not defined in the positive.

[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Defining masculinity not as something, but negatively as the opposite of feminity starts in childhood: In the stereotypical ideal of a patriarchal family, the father is absent and emotionally unavailable, the only immediately available role model for a boy would be his mother. But he learns early that to copy her is forbidden for him. So in absence of an example to follow, his role model becomes a negation: "not like mother". Disdain for feminity is a logical consequence.