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[–] voldage@lemmy.world 25 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah sure "murder hornets". Like "murder japs", "murder communists", "murder vietnamese", "murder gays", "murder blacks" or "murder arabs" before. I think I'll hold off celebrating until I know how much oil those hornets had in stock.

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Hey man, I don't disagree with you.

However, I think if you take every article you read and turn it into, "meanwhile I am waiting for someone to fix the planer." You are not really doing much. All of us, including myself, want what you want but those are things that are irrelevant to this article and we should take to things that are relevant.

Fuck fascism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, and anything else that is down right degrading to any human being who is just trying to be happy

In the same vain though, fuck hornets, fuck those little murderous monstrosities.

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

That was a joke about USA assigning threatening labels to anything it threatens or exploits to make public afraid of it instead of being supportive of it. As most jokes, it based on the subversion of expectations, which in this case was the suggestion that hornets are good and misunderstood. Comparing them and what they're doing to bees to gay or black people was intended as a sprinkle of dark humor, implying their (hornets!) destructive nature finds parrarels with the multitude of oppressed kinds of people.

Way to tell me I'm unfunny and my sense of humor sucks, man (jk)

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That was a joke about USA assigning threatening labels to anything it threatens or exploits to make public afraid of it instead of being supportive of it. As most jokes, it based on the subversion of expectations, which in this case was the suggestion that hornets are good and misunderstood. Comparing them and what they're doing to bees to gay or black people was intended as a sprinkle of dark humor, implying their (hornets!) destructive nature finds parrarels with the multitude of oppressed kinds of people.

I think you might want to go back to some of your source material and rework it if you think it's funny.

Way to tell me I'm unfunny and my sense of humor sucks, man (jk)

2edgy4me maybe on 4chan it might do better

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Funny, that's exactly a reply one would expect from a 4chan dweller. Is there a miniority or other group of people that USA demonized for profit that you're angry I've neglected to mention in this joke about imperialism and hornets, or was there something else that triggered you to go in swinging with insults? Apparently at least one other person found it funny, so I feel like the reason the joke didn't land with you might have to do with you not being the target audience, whatever it might be.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Is there a miniority or other group of people that USA demonized for profit that you're angry I've neglected to mention in this joke about imperialism and hornets, or was there something else that triggered you to go in swinging with insults?

no, I just found your commentary devoid of any real purpose. it lacked the thoughtfulness and effort of a good joke and took extreme liberties in joining the topic of murder hornets and American prejudices and imperialism.

Apparently at least one other person found it funny, so I feel like the reason the joke didn't land with you might have to do with you not being the target audience, whatever it might be.

you are correct, the joke didn't land with me, but not for the reasons you expressed. they didn't land with me because I failed to see the connection between the efforts taken by thousands of people to fight off an invasive species and imperialism.

so won't you please expound upon what the correlation between the two are for me? maybe then I might get the joke and I'll gladly apologize.

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 1 points 57 minutes ago

You seem to misunderstand humor. It is humorous specifically because there is no link between murder hornets and the aformentioned groups of people that USA "waged wars against". The fact that you're stressing that the joke "took extreme liberties" is kind of absurd - that is the point, to subvert expectations. Which is a part I already explained in the comment in which I explained the joke once. Let me go in for a deeper dive.

The language of "USA waging wars on XYZ" is often used by media to fabricate distorted view on reality, in which a group of people is presented as threatening to the country despite the opposite being the case. That language is well known and it is well estabilished as a useful propaganda tool. Reaction to usage of that language in cases that warrant outrage (as in, for example, for groups of people I've mentioned in my first comment) would often be one full of sympathy towards the victims and, at the very least, distrust towards the media outlet that used it. All of that sits well within the expectations of the reader.

The aptly named murder hornets however murder bees, which almost everyone knows is a bad thing for the world in general. There isn't much things that would make people in general think "that's bad". They do not have a good reputation and none reedeming qualities.

They're not what you would expect one to defend, you would not accuse USA of a psy op to smear their name, and you would not think that they perhaps have a stockpile of oil that that old, dastardly United States of A wanted to steal. And that's the subversion of expectation, portraying the murder hornets as victims of USA propaganda and comparing them to unjustly prosecuted people. That's the humorous part. Do you get it now?

You're trying to somehow tie it to the work of people that pulled this off, but you only could go for calling that disrespectful if you believed any disrespect was meant, and that would require you to believe my (already explained) joke was meant as serious defence of the hornets. And I'm sorry, but that's just dumb. I don't feel like you misunderstood the joke, but rather that you're trolling for the sake of rage baiting. I'd appreciate it if you stopped.

And if you understood all that and still feel like my joke wasn't funny, I'm sorry, it does seem you aren't a part of audience that this joke was meant for, and my frivolous joke-comment written while morning-pooping did not brighten your day. I'm sure something else will, as long as you put effort to find it. Good luck!

[–] kchr@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

For what it's worth, I chuckled at your comment. :-)

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

I appreciate that, thank you.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

why so mad bro? did a murder hornet kill your family and now you're pissed because the farmers of America didn't kill them faster?