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Multiple Republican presidential candidates made it clear at this week’s debate that the Department of Education is in danger if they are elected.

“Let’s shut down the head of the snake, the Department of Education,” Vivek Ramaswamy said. “Take that $80 billion, put it in the hands of parents across this country.”

Conservatives see the department, which has more than 4,400 employees and in its current form dates back to 1979 after first being established in 1867, as a prime example of Washington’s meddling in Americans’ lives. The time has come to “shut down the Federal Department of Education,” former Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday.

But what would it mean to actually shutter the massive agency?

How could the department be eliminated?

Killing the Department of Education (DOE) would be easier said than done.

Conservatives have said since the creation of the department they want to get rid of it. From President Ronald Reagan and his Education secretary to President Trump and his own, Republicans have decried the department’s existence but failed to abolish it.

That is because the decision to do so is not only up to the president and would have to go through Congress.

“There would have to be some legislation to specifically outline this, but I do think it would need to have the support of the executive branch and, obviously, this is a Cabinet-level agency, so I think having the president — would have to take a leadership role and help to make sure that the proposal is carefully crafted,” said Jonathan Butcher, the Will Skillman senior research fellow in education policy at The Heritage Foundation, which supports nixing the DOE.

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) proposed such legislation in 2021 and reintroduced it earlier this year.

“Unelected bureaucrats in Washington, D.C., should not be in charge of our children’s intellectual and moral development,” Massie said two years ago. “States and local communities are best positioned to shape curricula that meet the needs of their students. Schools should be accountable. Parents have the right to choose the most appropriate educational opportunity for their children, including home school, public school or private school.”

DOE did not respond to The Hill’s request for comment.

DOE’s duties would be absorbed by other federal agencies

DOE has an enormous number of responsibilities, including handling student loans, investigating complaints against schools and tracking education progress across the country.

None of the 2024 candidates during Wednesday’s debate detailed how they would handle eliminating it, but conservatives have longed to see many of its tasks either completely eliminated or absorbed into other departments.

“For example, the Office of Civil Rights at the Department of Education. I think that any duplicate responsibilities that it shares with the Department of Justice should be eliminated, and then the rest of that office should go to the Department of Justice,” Butcher said.

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God forbid somebody try to make a better life for themselves and their family.

But just so we're clear, you are taking the pro child labor stance here and would rather have children doing that work? Good to know.

[–] luckyhunter@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm anti child labor exploitation, and anti illegal immigrant labor exploitation, and anti federal bureaucratic BS. Education is funded by the states, and getting rid of the department won't change that.

[–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Proof that it's real illegal labor and that it's the state's fault rather than the company exploiting people who are suffering and attempting to make a better life for themselves?

Also, do you think that giving the states full control won't mean certain ones have the freedom to enforce as much religious doctrine as they want? I personally have already experienced religious teachings in class. They are bringing back school prayer, posters with religious phrases, and clergy in schools instead of counselors. What assurances would I have for school to not turn into a church with a bit of math and reading on the side?

[–] luckyhunter@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Agriculture workers in the south, the ICE chicken factory raids, the guys working roofing crews. and it's all their faults.

Your assurance is you can choose which school you want to send your kids too.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Funded by the states with minimum standards set at the federal level (though NCLB wasn't great). But if you honestly think the states currently rolling back child labor laws wouldn't have a field day if DOE were eliminated, I'm not sure there's a real discussion to be had.

[–] luckyhunter@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the great thing about America. If you don't like your state, move. Covid kick-started a huge migration wave in this country, but the reasons people are moving are not just covid related. NCLB should have been the killing blow for DOE, what a sad and terrible policy.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No privilege in that comment, no sir.

I guess as long as it's only the children of true believers and poor folks it's all fine and dandy.

[–] luckyhunter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

We are all very privileged to live in America, I agree with that!