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Israeli officials fear the pope's vocal criticisms and symbolic gestures - such as this year’s nativity scene in St Peter’s Square featuring baby Jesus resting on a Palestinian keffiyeh - may influence global public opinion.

Created by Bethlehem artists Johny Andonia and Faten Nastas Mitwasi, the nativity scene prominently features Palestinian materials, including olive wood, a symbol of Palestinian resilience.

During its unveiling, Pope Francis condemned the global arms industry for profiting from human suffering and reiterated his call for an end to all wars, urging the faithful to remember those suffering in the holy land.

The display, praised by many as a message of solidarity and peace, drew backlash from Israel’s supporters, who accused the Vatican of promoting a pro-Palestinian agenda.

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[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I have no proof of this, but I think Israeli intelligence knew the October Hamas attack was coming. Probably didn't realize how severe it was going to be, but they may have wanted it for an excuse for everything they did after.

I can't even wrap my head around what the goal of Hamas was with their attack. Surely they knew that Israel's response would be total insanity. Maybe they're drinking their own koolaid even at the top.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, seems like a pretty good source. It reminds me of the "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the US" reports that surfaced after the 9/11 attacks. I don't actually believe that GWB was in on it, but I could see the administration letting something happen for reason to go to war.

It's so similar in a way. Perhaps both were intentionally allowed at some level, just underestimated in scale. I can't imagine either of the leaders, Bush or Netanyahu, to allow so many of their "own people" to die and make a mockery of their countries to the world. Perhaps they did. I doubt we'll ever know.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I don't believe Bush did it through malice, it was 100% incompetence.

I mean, take it from Richard Clarke:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trust-clarke-hes-right-about-bush/

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Lets not confuse intelligence that something major is going to happen with actionable intelligence where you can preemptively take action to prevent an attack.

Prior to 9-11 there was most definitely increased chatter and I'd hazard a guess that many security and intelligence agencies knew something was going down on US soils but didn't have actionable specifics that would have allowed them to take appropriate action and prevent 9-11.

I think it was a similar issue with Israel and they must have believed that the worse case was an isolated terrorist bombing and to prepare a typical lockdown and emergency services response and not a massive raid on their territories.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Yeah someone else provided some good links to the links here. I was making the same connection. Check the other reply.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Of course they knew, they have one of if not the best secret agency in the world.