223
this post was submitted on 27 Dec 2024
223 points (90.5% liked)
News
23668 readers
3469 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I honestly feel bad for that woman's journey regardless of her politics. She got famous for being open about her sexuality, and then a bunch of old men like Bill Maher slobbered all over her, and then she got suckered in to sponsoring a crypto scam that she obviously had no understanding of, and now she's facing potential legal trouble for it.
She's basically been taken advantage of every step of the way because she's apparently not especially savvy enough to figure that out and really the only reason is that she's conventionally attractive and frankly sexual. For the Bill Mahers and crypto bros, that was enough to exploit her in every way they could.
She's a grown adult I'd be with you, but she was defending the coin pretty hard in that Coffeezilla segment, she took advantage of the 15 mins as much as possible and in a lot of ways succeeded. If she didn't know what crypto was and what happens when influencers get involved with it, she shouldn't have exposed her fans to it, but she saw the bag and went ahead.
Because, like so many other Americans, she was taught to grab on to that brass ring and don't let go if people notice you. I don't blame her for that either.
I'm not suggesting she isn't still responsible for her actions, and if she is charged in the crypto scam, so be it... but I still feel bad for her.
Your first paragraph feels an awful lot like you are suggesting she isn't responsible for her actions.
My second paragraph should have led you to the opposite conclusion.
I can pity someone and not blame them for what they did but still feel they should be responsible for their actions when they are bad actions.
Empathy is in extremely short supply these days, at least online.
So I see.
At some point, you need to hold the figurehead accountable for the scam so that other potential future figureheads will know to do some research before putting their name on illegal shit.
I already said if there is found reason to try her for her contribution to the crypto scam, that should happen.
I know. I'm saying that her attaching her name to it and endorsing it should be enough of a reason.
Okay, well I'm not a lawyer so I can't say if that is enough of a reason, but if it is, so be it. That doesn't change my empathy toward her.
(I'm not sure why so many people here think "I feel sorry for her" and "she should get tried for her crimes" can't both be thoughts someone holds without any contradiction.)
running crypto scam in fourth year of our lord covid? she should have know better, could have learned about it at any point during last eight years or so. if it's something she had no idea about maybe she shouldn't do it in the first place. she had these 5 min of cringey fame and used it all on grifting
You're essentially blaming a person who isn't very bright for not being very bright. I hope you realize that.
That’s not how the law works, you get charged regardless if you’re dumb or smart if you break the law.
You might get a lighter sentence but stupid people doing crime is still crime.
Jesus Christ, how many fucking times?
Sorry, I guess I took your word “blame” to mean it isn’t her fault and hence my comment about legality.
But let me answer from an emotional perspective:
I don’t think people should feel bad for her cause she isn’t a teenager, an adult should know better that there is no free lunch. Trying to get rich off of your 15 mins of fame won’t be honest work.
She's 21. The same age millions of Americans are when they're tricked into high-interest loans and credit cards with massive APRs. Plus payday lending.
I feel bad for all of them despite them being adults that "should know better that there is no free lunch." Why wouldn't I feel bad for her? She's a victim of the same fucking system that raises every American child to believe that they'll be rich and successful one day, they just have to do whatever the fuck they can to get there.
She didn't go to college. She worked in a factory before she got well-known. Since when do we expect people like her to be educated enough to understand a crypto scam just because they're over 18? She probably didn't even know what crypto was the day she signed the contract. Why would she? All she knew was people were going to make her rich and when was she ever told to not trust such people? She was told the opposite all of her life just by living in America.
And I am astounded people can't see that.
Again, that doesn't mean she doesn't have any responsibility here. Ignorance is no excuse. But that also doesn't mean she doesn't deserve any sympathy.
I do appreciate that you’re coming from a place of empathy.
But since there is a divide in perspective, maybe I can clarify.
Most people draw the line somewhere for agency. By this argument, even evil politicians “deserve empathy”.
Here is an alternative take:
Empathy is an emotion made by evolution for the benefit of society. It’s good to feel empathy because it helps guide people back to good morality.
That becomes ineffective when they refuse to listen. Imo that’s where society correctly draws the line on agency and empathy.
If people tell you, hey, what your doing is not right but you want your payday anyway, it benefits society more to put social pressure on the individual (judge them) instead of empathize with them.
So right now, she is so far gone that having empathy is not gonna change her, collectively disapproving of her has a better chance, hence the judgement.
So I don’t disagree with empathy, I just think you got to draw the line somewhere.
Who told her that? Because I'm saying no one told her that. At least I didn't see anyone tell her that.
I did see a lot of slobbering over her and/or mocking her because she was frank and open about her sexuality though, along with a lot of people doing everything they could to cash in on the fame of someone who was given nothing more than an American grade school education with which to know when and how to use her agency.
Apparently none of that is worth discussing or worth any pity because she committed a crime.
And I have to say that it is an interesting contrast to many other people who commit crimes that do end up hurting other people and yet still get sympathy for other reasons. There are worse people in prison right now who have gotten sympathy. I remember a lot of sympathy for Richard Reid because of the path he was led down and because he was clearly not smart enough to not be tricked into trying to blow up a fucking plane.
I've also heard a lot of sympathy for one of the Boston Bombers because "he was just a kid and he didn't know what he was doing." He was 20 years old. He killed six people and injured close to 300 others.
But this lady? Fuck her. No sympathy whatsoever for anything that has ever happened to her. She is a real criminal mastermind.
I mean, she literally got told by the entire internet that she had her 15 mins of fame and she should move on when she started a podcast.
Maybe your in different Internet spaces than me, but I fully remember people saying she should move on and live a normal life.
I judge her because she wants a get rich quick scheme when the rest of us are doing day jobs. She seems shallow and willing to do anything to be rich and famous.
I’m not going to respond further because I’ve already told you why people judge her. It’s a subjective anyway, hence why you have the right to not judge her the same as others do to do otherwise.
Maybe not in her internet spaces. How many of those people had any sort of contact with her.
It certainly is, which is why apparently someone who kills six people is more deserving of sympathy for exactly the same reasons she apparently is not.
if you don't know what are you doing, maybe you shouldn't until you know, or at least do a double take
Again, you're blaming someone who isn't very bright for not being very bright.
Half of humanity is of below average intelligence.
shoulda talked tuah lawyer, reinventing 100 year old crimes doesn't come with a get free out of jail card if you think you've figured it out for the first time
I already said that if she is found to be liable for her part in the crypto scam, she should be tried for it.
Is the concept of feeling pity for someone even if they commit a crime so foreign to so many people here?
cryptobros (gender nonspecific) burn our collective future for a quick buck, why tf should feel anyone feel pity for them
Do you really think that's what she is? Do you think if you asked her to explain anything about crypto to you that she could?
i fail to see how that's any better
Indeed you don't see how it is any better to be someone who ends up committing a crime because they are being taken advantage of and someone who commits a crime because they are knowingly doing something to make the world worse.
And that also makes the world worse. Deciding that a crime is a crime and once committed, you can't feel any sympathy for the criminal.
she's not "being taken advantage of", she had to be in the scam and offered a cut because why would she get in in the first place. she's just in the finding out stage
if anything your empathy seems to be misplaced
Really? You do know people can be offered a cut of a scam without knowing it's a scam, right?
And no, my empathy is not misplaced. I don't even know how it is possible for empathy to be misplaced. I'm not sure you understand the concept if you say something like that. It's like saying "you don't think the thing you're laughing at is funny" or "that thing you're crying about doesn't make you sad."
Pretty gross you're treating a grown woman as a naive child tbh. She's an adult with agency and ignorance isn't an excuse.
And they've already iterated that if she is found liable she should be prosecuted. Their point is that they simply feel sorry for her because of that ignorance.
I'm sure the people scammed out of their money feel really bad she was so ignorant she couldn't do a tiny bit of research on the thing she was promoting.
Alright bruh. If you're just going to argue without understanding my point, then we're done here.
I think I got your point we just disagree about the culpability and responsibility of (willful) ignorance bruh.
Sorry... are you saying that only children deserve empathy?
Then it's a good thing I have said multiple times now that she should be prosecuted if there is call to prosecute her.
You're getting downvoted, but you're speaking straight facts. The average Lemming is smug about their perceived above average intelligence and believes anyone below that to be deserving of less. The comment you responded to gives off "If you're homeless just rent a house" vibes.
Speak your truth brother 🗣️
Seems like calling her not very bright WAS an average lemming being smug about their perceived intelligence.
It really bothers me that many people here seem to think that either not being smart or committing crimes means no one should feel bad for you for any reason.
It's the sort of total lack of recognition of humanity I have come to expect from the right, but it seems to be spilling over.
Unfortunately this isn't a partisan thing. Dispassionate people exist on both sides of the spectrum. You'd at least think the left would be more considerate about this issue though
Don't need to be very bright to agree to x amount of money in exchange for putting your name on something
And yet people get scammed every single day in just that manner.
Tbh isn't all memecoin a scam? There's potential to make money sure, but only if you're an insider.