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Warning, this story is really horrific and will be heartbreaking for any fans of his, but Neil Gaiman is a sadistic [not in the BDSM sense] sexual predator with a predilection for very young women.

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[–] EpicMuch@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I have so many of this man's books on my shelves, a few of them signed. I don't know what to do with them. I don't want to throw them away (yet), because the stories are wonderful and I'm still attached to those characters and worlds. but. I don't to see his name anymore. on anything. I've turned them backwards, spine inward and placed others in the gap between other books and the back of the shelf. what a tragic loss caused by a Jekyll\Hyde monster.

Good Omens is one of my most favorite and re-read books and I don't know how many decades it'll take before I touch it again.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

One of my friends owned a synth module and the company owner turned out to be some kind of mysogynist racist asshat (or at best an edgelord indistinguishable from that). He wanted to get rid of it, so he put it up for sale for the market price, with a clear note on it that he'd be donating all of the money to some feminist charity. It sold, someone got the product while knowingly contributing to a good cause, and he got rid of it without it feeling like a waste.

Something like that could be an option?

[–] TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author

H. P. Lovecraft was very racist and you can even see his racism in his books, and people still read his books. You need to disconnect the author with the books, although Lovecraft was racist and not a monster like this guy. I even heard he tried to change before he died.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 5 points 14 hours ago

I agree, but that's not what Death of the Author means.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Consuming the media is fine; funding the bad people (or their heirs and assigns) is not. Sail the high seas, mateys.

It depends on what the person did. Lovecraft was a racist, but never hurt anyone unlike this guy, so I think it is fine to buy his books.

[–] Jamablaya 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah he was racist, but also a New England resident in like 1910 who married a Jewish woman.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I read an anecdote where Lovecraft went on some sort of antisemitic rant only to be gently reminded by his wife who he married. I guess he was an equal opportunity bigot.

[–] Jamablaya 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I mean...yeah it seems like he hated pretty much everyone roughly equally, except the English. Idk how a person can hate the Saxons but like the Anglo Saxons.

I honestly think that Lovecraft might have suffered from some mental illness, the guy had so many phobias. His childhood wasn't good either, he was racist because he genuinely thought they will kill him or hurt him.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 37 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The stories live on their own. They left his mind and are no longer his. They live in your mind now and are yours now.

If it makes you feel better about them being there, tear out or paint over his name on them. And continue enjoying stories that are good.

I believe in death of the author. People throughout history were all sorts of awful, but that doesn't mean they didn't have some good thoughts too. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

[–] oyenyaaow@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago

It also helped that he withdrew completely from public life, as opposed to doing the jkrowling thing where she repeatedly announced that anyone supporting her books support her views. Divorcing good omens from him is even easier because Terry Pratchett's daughter stepped up and took over in his stead, but also because there is acutoff that is immediate instead of something lingeringly tainting every aspect of his stories the way the harry potter books and other media is.

This hits tumblr expecially hard because he's a regular poster there and his comments are everywhere, but nevertheless he did inspire a lot of young writers and give good advice there, and you cannot argue that those advice did good when they were being offered, while admitting that asking him anything are not advisable now even if he didn't go full silence.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Part of the problem in Gaiman's case is that he absolutely does not shy away from sexual violence in his stories. The perpetrator usually gets punished, often ironically, but how can you read about one of his villainous rapist characters and not think about how he's got experience with what that character is doing?

That's not a problem with stuff like Good Omens, which is more family fare, or even the stuff he does specifically for kids. It's a huge problem for stuff like Sandman and American Gods.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Solid analysis.

[–] rami@ani.social 5 points 1 day ago

ty for writing this. it actually helped a bit.

I was going to say this is so beyond someone being racist or your favorite musician turning into a conservative shithead... which, it is, but... that helped. thank you.

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It can be hard to separate art from artist, but just keep in mind that you've already paid for those books. He isn't getting more money from you just rereading them, and nothing changes if you continue to enjoy the books.

Also he doesn't get paid if you pirate them. So feel free to pirate them.

[–] slurp@programming.dev 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At least with Good Omens you can focus on Terry. This is grim.

[–] Reyali@lemm.ee 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Side story: I have a number of dear friends who were huge Gaiman fans, so I tried to be one too. And I just could not. I could hardly get through most of his books. I liked the concept of American Gods but didn’t care for the story and Neverwhere was ok, but I didn’t see what my friends kept going on about.

Then I read Good Omens and loved it. Finally! I was enjoying Gaiman.

Years later, my now-partner introduced me to Discworld. Then I reread Good Omens and realized that everything I enjoyed so much in it almost certainly came from Pratchett, not Gaiman. When you know some of each’s writing, some parts start to stand out as one or the other. And I have no doubt what made that book so great (to me, at least) was Sir Terry’s influence.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I've thought this. Maybe I just ignored the Gaiman parts because they were boring, but I've read it a few times and I honestly can barely think of a part that reminds me of Gaiman's other writing...

[–] Reyali@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

It’s been a while but I think it was some of the individual prose that seemed more like Gaiman, mostly like scene setting/ambiance. I only noticed in on a reread I did shortly after reading one of Gaiman’s. On the other hand, all of the memorable stuff like characters, plot, and humor were all very typical Pratchett.

GNU Terry Pratchett <3

[–] geography082@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Time to buy mangas