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In his farewell speech, President Joe Biden warned of a growing "oligarchy" in the U.S., where extreme wealth and power threaten democracy.

Comparing modern elites to 19th-century robber barons, he called for reforms to hold the wealthy accountable, as done in the past.

Biden also criticized a "tech-industrial complex" concentrating power and spreading disinformation, weakening democracy.

His remarks sparked a surge in Google searches for "oligarchy."

The speech comes amid rising concerns about policies favoring billionaires, like Trump’s tax cuts and potential cuts to social safety programs.

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[–] witten@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think your math quite works out. Voters who voted third party or didn't vote and live in solidly blue states had no bearing on Trump's election.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If you don't vote or vote 3rd party in a presidential election, you are an idiot whether you end up being responsible for the outcome or not.

If you don't exercise your right to vote, especially in an election like this, you are an idiot.

If you vote 3rd party when a 3rd party has absolutely no shot at winning, you are an idiot.

It doesn't matter whether you live in a blue state or not. If for no other reason than contributing to the popular vote.

In 2016 we could at least say Trump lost the popular vote. Before this election Republicans had only won the popular vote once since 1988 and not since Bush Jr. The more the will of the people clearly gets ignored and the loser of the popular vote becomes president anyway, the more pissed off Americans are going to get about that, and the more support we get from Americans to pressure our representatives to fix this shit electoral process.

Not to mention these idiots could live in a state that's blue but not solidly blue and that state could possibly flip red because they assumed blue was safe in their state. Do you think non-voters and 3rd party presidential voters are smart enough to keep an eye on that kind of thing?

Being in a solidly blue or red state does not absolve non-voters and 3rd party voters from being idiots.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Not to mention these idiots could live in a state that’s blue but not solidly blue and that state could possibly flip red because they assumed blue was safe in their state.

That's why I used the word "solidly."

Do you think non-voters and 3rd party presidential voters are smart enough to keep an eye on that kind of thing?

Some of them? Sure. Maybe not all of them. But it doesn't matter for purposes of this discussion. I was just making the claim that your math was including some voters that had no possible effect on Trump getting elected. And I still think that's the case whether or not a number of people in purple states decided not to vote because Harris didn't really speak to the economic realities they face everyday. Now we're just quibbling over how wrong your math is.

To your broader point about the popular vote: I agree that people not voting or voting 3rd party impacts the popular vote, and the popular vote is indeed often used as a proxy for a national mandate. But Trump didn't even break 50% on the popular vote—hardly a Reagan-style sweeping mandate despite initial reports to the contrary. So in this particular election, your point doesn't even come into play. You're calling people idiots for how they voted because of a theoretical outcome that didn't occur.

Yes, voting in the U.S. is basically harm reduction. But what's the point of voting to reduce harm if it doesn't actually have much chance of doing that in your state? To be clear, I'm not advocating not voting. I'm advocating giving people a little grace if, via their vote, they didn't materially contribute to the rise of fascism or whatever. In fact, you could say that someone voting third party in a solidly blue state has just as much impact on the election as someone voting blue in a solidly red one. It's just numbers.