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[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"The only recourse you'll have" is the whole point. You have no recourse on Reddit. There is no other Reddit server. There are many Lemmy servers, all over the world, with very different views and policies.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

And you're just jumping from one instance to another with admins that can censor you again and again. You create your own instance and other instances' admins can censor you by defederating from your own instance.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Just out of curiosity, what's your solution?

(Putting aside that what you describe is still far more room for ban evasion than non-fediverse platforms.)

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/16065977

Basically, decentralize the back-end independently of the front-end, eliminate admins altogether, mods still exist but they only have power on their communities, they don't have site wide power.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That wouldn't work that well, especially when you take law into regard. For example, the european Digital Services Act regulates platforms and platforms have to respond to obligations, sometimes deleting content. Communities are not platforms, instances are. Ergo, you need instance admins be able to comply and respond to the DSA.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The server owners would take care of the content hosted on their server and would need to filter it based on their local laws (to remove CSAM for example, just like current admins need to do), but otherwise this type of decentralization would make the website pretty much a neutral zone that operates outside of specific laws since the people hosting the content (and its backups) could be located all over the world.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How's that different from now?
Or do you want users to not be banned instancewide for breaking instance rules? Or do you want to abolish instance/server rules aside from local laws altogether?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

No instance, no admin with power over users themselves, only community mods.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Instances = servers. No instances = nowhere to host content. And again, admin roles are a necessity for any server based infrastructure.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There's because you don't understand the infrastructure I'm talking about.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Enlighten me. Where do you want to host stuff?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's all explained in the link I shared, you do like any other website but instead of using multiple servers owned by a single company it's multiple servers owned by random people and devs can create a front-end to access the data found on those servers.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

But that's literally how the whole fediverse works right now.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

No, it's not, each instance hosts its own content, and users are assigned to an instance.

What I'm talking about is making the end user experience the same as any centralized website, the hosts are just hosting parts of the total database (randomly assigned, with backups in mind so everything is hosted on multiple servers, with the option not to host content flagged as NSFW) and people create front-ends to access and interact with that database. Users aren't assigned to a specific server, their credentials are just part of the database.

As I mentioned in my other comment, think like any other website but instead of relying on AWS to host the data on a bunch of servers all over the world, it's people like you and me and just like Reddit before the API scandal, you let devs create apps to push and pull data.

That removes the admins from the equation entirely, users are their own boss and filter their experience as they see fit, mods still exist but no one has the power to suddenly device you just can't interact with tens of thousands of users all of the sudden just because you signed up from the wrong place (in their mind). If an admin decides to stop hosting, the data they had on their server is backed up on other servers and things are rebalanced between servers to make sure there's still a backup of everything.