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Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, you can discuss anything you want, but you won't be allowed to assert blatant falsehoods as true.

Same goes when I remove the arguments about Ukranians being Nazis or how they were the real aggressors after Russia invaded them or how the Uyghur genocide is all made up by Western powers to make China look bad.

Bullshit gets removed, repeated, unrepentent bullshit gets a temp ban. Repeated temp bans get longer and longer until the bullshit is excised.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No, you can discuss anything you want, but you won't be allowed to assert blatant falsehoods as true.

Ok fine, then moderate people for claiming the ICC believes Biden is responsible for the genocide.

That is a blatantly falsifiable statement.

If I say I believe Biden to be responsible beyond any reasonable doubt for being among the most crucial facilitators of the Palestinian Genocide that is not a blatant falsehood, plenty of evidence points to that being true and frankly so does a common sense understanding of how power relationships work in international politics.

You can't just dismiss voices like mine by calling it blatant disinformation and keep a shred of your intellectual integrity.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is absolutely a blatant falsehood because Biden is on the public record over and over advocating a cease fire and a two-state solution.

You can't simultaneously advocate a two-state solution while also attempting to exterminate one of the states.

Biden believes both Palestine and Israel have a right to exist. That is NOT genocidal.

Israel believes they should have full control of Gaza, the West Bank, the Golan Heights and Southern Lebanon and will kill anyone who tries to defy them.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is absolutely a blatant falsehood because Biden is on the public record over and over advocating a cease fire and a two-state solution.

Ok so now a politician stating something is true makes it true?

Are you listening to yourself?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a matter of public policy, yes, it's 100% true and the fact that he got a cease fire done the last day of his administration proves that.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Apply this viewpoint to literally anything Trump says. It's nonsense. Are you going to moderate someone saying "Trump doesn't care about the environment"? He said his first administration's priority was to "have the cleanest air". That's his policy, right?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Precisely, I hate Trump and I don't use the word "hate" lightly here, I reserve it only for people who hurt, kill and maim others en masse with their use of power.

I will resist people like Trump, JD Vance, Steve Bannon, rightwing fascists and most pathetic of all, the grovelling bro-ligarchs..till the day I die.

...but this..this is scary, step away from this ledge of playing a part in silencing discussion on the unimaginable attrocity of the Palestinian Genocide as we in the international community (including US) are just now starting to see the full extent of the horror.

People will hopefully write books about this for the rest of our lives, we will all have a much greater chance of actually embodying the kindness and integrity we hope to embody if we begin to have a serious, difficult conversation NOW or we risk losing ourselves to the slow creep (until it isn't) of hate and oblivion.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Same goes when I remove the arguments about ... how the Uyghur genocide is all made up by Western powers to make China look bad.

What an example to choose. I.C.C. Won’t Investigate China’s Detention of Muslims

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From your article:

"Prosecutors in The Hague said on Monday that they would not, for the moment, investigate allegations that China had committed genocide and crimes against humanity regarding the Uighurs, a predominantly Muslim ethnic group, because the alleged crimes took place in China, which is not a party to the court."

They have no legal jurusdiction in China.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They don't have legal jurisdiction in the United States either!

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, they have jurisdiction in the State of Palestine, you know, where the crimes are happening.

https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties/asian-states/Palestine

Which is how they charged Israel for the ongoing genocide, Israel isn't an ICC states party either, but you run around committing crimes in a states party, yeah, they do have jurisdiction.

Same for Ukraine and Russia.

https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties/eastern-european-states/ukraine - Member state, Russia is not. Putin gets charged as a war criminal.

So if Putin, like China, started committing atrocities inside his own country, the ICC couldn't cover it, not an ICC issue.