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Young climate activist tells Greenpeace to drop ‘old-fashioned’ anti-nuclear stance
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The biggest enemy of the left is the right, it's just that everyone on the left can agree that they're terrible so it doesn't come up in discourse too much, whereas the people who are on your side but want to do things a different way will take up much more of your attention.
If socialists and liberals worked together in Germany, the Nazis would not have come to power. It's their bickering that led to liberals giving Hitler power in a coalition and socialists famously saying "after Hitler, us".
Even when there's a fascist takeover, it's enabled by the left of center arguing with itself.
Firstly, liberals are not left of centre, they are the original capitalists, the ideology that socialism was built in opposition to.
Secondly, Liberals will always side with fascists when push comes to shove. To liberals, Fascists are distasteful, bigots and extremists, however, fascism does not threaten the liberal system. It does not threaten the liberal ruling class, at least inherently, whereas socialism is an existential threat to that class. To a liberal economy, to a liberal nation.
The main disconnect I see around this is people looking at an objective scale of political science versus a more contextual scale, like narrowing down to Western politics. In terms of an absolute scale, we're all authoritarians because we believe in having a centralized government. That classification isn't remotely useful however. Western politics tends towards capitalism and authoritarianism, and so it makes sense to discuss it with adjusted scales.
The axis is authoritarian-libertarian, not liberal. The definition might be different in common parlance, but people not understanding terms in political science through ignorance is not a reason not to use them.
A liberal socialist is a subset of liberals, the same as social democrats and social liberalism.
You cannot seek to preserve capitalism and also be a socialist.