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'Backfired spectacularly': European officials reportedly now view US as an 'adversary' (www.rawstory.com)

submitted 3 months ago by BrikoX@lemmy.zip to c/usa@midwest.social

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If Vice President J.D. Vance hoped to earn respect among international leaders with his speech in Germany last week, it wouldn't work, according to one senior diplomat.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 105 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Let's not make the same mistake that was made in the US:

The people who - rightfully - lost respect for the US and now consider it an adversary are German diplomats, politicians and the press. But the ones with the voting power are the German public. And if German voters are anything like American voters, there may be a deep disconnect between them and the elites.

And so despite the outrage of the people who know better, the German population might just as easily vote for fascists in Germany as they did in the US.

My point being, we'll know if Vance's speech backfired when the German elections are over. I'm not so optimistic that it did.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Left wing elites can't help but call right wing leaders idiots for behaving like the average voter.

and despite what you think of them they are at least smart enough to make that connection.

Meanwhile the left keep making the exact same mistake by taking them at face value.

First rule of politics, learn to count.

[–] argon 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The far right party in Germany had 10% last election, and is likely to get 20% this election.

1/5 is a lot, but it's not the average voter.

(Btw, why use the framing "elites" for left wing and "leaders" for right wing?)

[–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They are mixing US politics and German politics. That's the only reason I could think of someone calling Habeck elite ;D

Edit to add that if you look at the money, the AfD and right-wing CDU are the "elites" or at least that's how they like to see themselves.

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