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Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.

This is murder.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Regardless, her trying to run one of the cops down is only going to end 1 way.

Exactly. I get the hate on police, and frankly they did initiate the situation here and should have handled things better, but ultimately if you intentionally drive a vehicle into someone responding with a gun is warranted.

[–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thing is she didn't floor it. Didnt even pull away quickly. He could have stepped out of the way... he in fact did, right after he pulled the trigger and shot her. He literally stood in front of the car, pulled his gun and basically said "move the car and you die". He put himself in harms way, pulled his gun and escalated the situation.

This will in all likelihood be deemed a justified shooting by the police and court, but with a little compassion from the officer it could have ended without this lady being dead. Bet he doesn't even care.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah I was thinking the same, she moved very cautiously forwards, he then basically climbed onto the hood and shot her. She was being so careful he had the perfect shot lined up.

This will in all likelihood be deemed a justified shooting by the police and court,

Almost certainly - but I would still say this is more or less rightly so. Maybe they can successfully argue that she wasn't trying to kill him, she was trying to drive around him, based on evidence from the video. Normally a court would give the benefit of the doubt to the victim of having a car driven towards them, but if that doubt can be proven with video then that's another matter.

but with a little compassion from the officer it could have ended without this lady being dead. Bet he doesn’t even care.

He definitely wanted to shoot from the start. He initiated that whole situation to give himself justification to draw, he created the opportunity to kill her. A lack of compassion is an understatement.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I could see, the gun was out first. Most people go their whole lives without having a gun pointed at them. How you will respond is very unpredictable. Panic sets in - it doesn't seem real. Cops are (or at least should be) trained on how to handle life or death situations- ordinary people are not.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The gun was drawn when she started turning the wheel to drive around the officer stood in front. You can hear it coming out of its holster, and you don't see it before then.

However, I'm not condoning the officer's behaviour here. They created the situation, they should have known better, both reasonably and from their training. What they did was essentially a form of entrapment.

All I'm saying is that she made a mistake herself also by driving the car towards him, and, regardless of whether it's a police officer or a regular human being, responding with a gun is most likely going to be justified.

[–] Imotali@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So what your saying is the gun was drawn after she showed signs of non-violent escape?

Anything else is apologetics.

[–] ZzyzxRoad@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The phrase "the police should have handled it better but..." should just be outlawed. I guess it does let everyone know to never have a conversation with whoever says it though, so I guess there's that.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's with users like yourself behaving like assholes to other users all the time recently? Personal insults are lame.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where is the insult? I just see you calling someone an asshole...

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't call them an asshole, I said they were behaving like one. I assume they're perfectly capable of not acting that way and are just taking an opportunity where they feel they can get away with it.

The insult was in implying that what I say has no value simply because I'm pointing out the police aren't the only ones who did things wrong here; rather than engaging and arguing ideas they made an ad hominem attack. Saying that in reply to me but directed at everyone else is incredibly rude.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't call them an asshole, I said they were behaving like one

That's like the guy at UPS saying my package isn't lost, he just can't find it.