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Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.

This is murder.

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[–] Lord_McAlister@lemmy.world 320 points 1 year ago (31 children)

So some neckbeard republicans are going to come out and say "She should have just complied", but honestly what is the absolute worst scinerio if she WAS shop-lifting? In what world is it not a better option to just get her FUCKING CAR'S license-plate number, track her to her house, then arrest her there when she's clearly cornered? Or just boot her car when it's found again and force her to come to you to get it off?

Because now you've killed a woman and her unborn baby over some God damn groceries.

[–] sab@kbin.social 138 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The headline "Pregnant lady caught shoplifting groceries; arrested" would already be telling of a society that has gone far over the edge.

[–] MelodiousFunk@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago

In this timeline, the edge is so far gone that it's faded into myth.

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[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 92 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If this is a jurisdiction that says embryos are people then that cop executed a completely innocent person.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Shhh... don't point out their own hypocrisy

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[–] cowpowered@lemm.ee 194 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The hell is wrong with this country. Shoplifting is not violent crime. If they flee put out an arrest warrant and they'll turn up later, in a lot more trouble.

Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape. It's totally unnecessary pointless murder.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 129 points 1 year ago

It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.

It's an execution. Someone accused of a crime doesn't get a trial or a chance to defend themselves. Someone with a gun makes a decision to end their life on the spot.

[–] Boddhisatva@kbin.social 80 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape.

Not to mention, standing in front of a car driven by a POC who has every reason to expect the cops to shoot them anyway. That person is already frightened and likely panicked and not thinking clearly. Putting yourself in front of a car with a panicked driver who is justifiably in fear for their life is incredibly stupid.

Also, what is with cops just repeating the same command over and over again and refusing to otherwise interact with the person. Are they trying to make the situation worse? Why not try and de-escalate the situation. Oh, that's right, they want a reason to shoot people.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 53 points 1 year ago

Are they trying to make the situation worse?

Yes, because it lets them use lethal force like the jack booted thugs they want to be.

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[–] experbia@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone

This "technique" has been demonstrated enough that frankly, I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you're better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first. If they walk in front of your car, it's clear they're just itching to murder you. The threat has been made, you should fear for your life. It's you or them.

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[–] envis10n@lemm.ee 182 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To anyone saying she tried to run over the officer, please watch the body cam footage. She is turning the wheel as much as possible to steer the vehicle away from the officer. On top of that, she pulled forward very slowly. If you were trying to run someone over, you would not give them every opportunity to avoid being hit by the vehicle.

Stop licking boots

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[–] Thurgo@lemm.ee 125 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I do not understand why it is so common for police in this country to stand in front of a car and then shoot the driver when the car moves. It's a manufactured danger and really does not seem like a smart idea to use your weapon to put a corpse in control of a heavy machine.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 64 points 1 year ago

What's not to understand? Their goal is the expression of power, the suspect's escape is completely non optional to them. They are not trained in de-escalation.

So, by placing their body on the line (in the path of the giant metal machine), they are essentially saying "obey me, or you are willing to kill me if you try to escape". So if you try to escape, you are willing to kill them. So if you are willing to kill them, they are free to defend themselves.

It is crazy, but consistent logic.

Remember they aren't there to help, or protect, but to enforce.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

They stand in front so that they can shoot the driver.

You can't play chicken with someone and then shoot them if you get scared. You have to either swerve or get hit, that's why it's called chicken.

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[–] ox0r@jlai.lu 124 points 1 year ago (38 children)

Getting shot over shoplifting is insane.

The usa is fucked beyond saving

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[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 120 points 1 year ago (3 children)

American fascists continue to prove their belief that property damage isn't an acceptable response to murder, but murder is an acceptable response to property damage.

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[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 104 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Woman scared for her life because officers immediately pointed guns at her for no reason is proven correct when killed by officers for no reason. Just another day in America. Cops just love pulling their guns and using them for no good reason. The only time a cop should be pointing a gun at someone like this is if their life is in immediate danger from that person.

How would society feel if these weren't cops? If a guy just runs up to your car pointing a pistol at your head you aren't going to be calm and rational. It's bullshit we expect anyone to be.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 100 points 1 year ago (53 children)

How should this have been handles instead? If she really really doesn't want to comply, You write down her license place, and you let her go.

That simple.

You have her face on video, you have the license plate, it's trivial to then go visit her at her home and have a talk. Hell, follow her if you have to, but not in a high speed chase. Just keep your distance, let her go where she wants to go until she's done.

Worst case scenario, you just let her go.

This extreme focus on that every petty little thing MUST be stopped, every small time offender MUST comply only ends in this. Suffering.

Instead focus on fixing poverty and you know, making sure that pregnant women have all they need so that they don't need to steal? That is why we banned abortion, no? Because we care about babies?

Oh yeah that's right. We care about unborn fetuses, but born babies can get fucked.

Let this woman have an abortion if she can't afford a baby. Now she doesn't need to shoplift, at least not for the baby

Lift people out of poverty. Push people to be better educated. THOSE are things that will actually lower crime rates but then it means they ml o longer are the common pulp that can stand on

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[–] grandpappy@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago

I wonder if the cop will be prosecuted for providing an unlawful abortion.

[–] Eggyhead@artemis.camp 84 points 1 year ago (32 children)

I mean, could he not just have taken the license plate number then sent agents to go knock on her door later? This is shoplifting, not armed robbery.

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[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Is this where society is heading? Rampant theft resolved with murder to save corporations?

To them, this probably sounds easier than lowering prices, reducing CEO’s millions in pay and propping up stock prices.

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[–] bobman@unilem.org 71 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That's fucking horrible.

First off, I wish they would show the full uncut raw footage. People need to see the reality of getting shot.

Second, he literally just pulls the gun out and says "get out of the car." Like, what the fuck man? Get out of the car or I'm going to shoot you? For stealing from a fucking kroger? One of the biggest businesses in the US?

Dude. This is bullshit. He needs criminal charges.

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[–] FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 year ago (9 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ending_Qualified_Immunity_Act

If you want this to stop, force your representatives to finally vote this into law.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As the fetus is now legally a person and did nothing wrong the officer who fired the shots should be arrested for homicide.

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[–] TDCN@feddit.dk 66 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery. She's getting a baby soon and is maybe trying to save up because the US has no proper help to offer. Being shot and murdered by the police for a relatively harmles crime is beyond crazy for a society to accept. The policeman should be arrested for murder and abuse of power and Final put behind bars

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[–] TruTollTroll@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (36 children)

OMG, I saw this story on FB, AND every fucking comment was praising the cop! Telling her she deserved it for trying to run away.. things like she would have been a terrible mom anyways.. just some awful things while the run their hard ons for the cops... It was sickening... I am 23 weeks pregnant with my second son right now and watching people praise her death because she stole something is so bizarre and jarring... I'm pregnant... What if this was a misunderstanding and he had bad information.. she didn't steal a thing and scared of cops tried to get away and now she is dead.... Cops are fuckiing scary but not as much as people who want this outcome for stealing some groceries

Edit: some of these comments defending the cop, who put his life in danger on his own so he could have the excuse to kill her, is chilling.... You are the reason I made my comment and the reason why I am getting scared of my community.. because too many of the people in society want to see someone from some group they hate, hurt or dead by police.... Fucking sickening. Shoplifting is not an excuse to use lethal force to stop anyone.. the punishment doesn't fit the crime.. people saying it does, are rabid dogs who wish it was them in the cops shoes, feeling powerful.. and that's even more sickening. She left behind a 6 year old because thd pig couldnt have figured out another way to handle the situation.. he failed a basic IQ test and too many people are like.. "Kay, cool". Idiocracy was and is a fucking a documentary and y'all just want a gladiator type entertainment with your own people

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[–] playxdestroy@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

not very pro life if you ask me

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[–] noxy@yiffit.net 56 points 1 year ago (13 children)

If you see ~~a pregnant woman~~ anyone shoplifting, no the fuck you didn't.

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[–] instamat@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I’m a firm believer of “if you see someone stealing food, no you didn’t”

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[–] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The good guy with a gun once again saves the day by shooting a pregnant woman.

God bless America.

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[–] 0000011110110111i@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is Ohio a pro-life state? If yes, does this mean the cop can be charged for illegally terminating a pregnancy?

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[–] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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