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I heard so many people say "i like the NDP but i have to vote liberal or my vote is useless." I say the number of NDP seats is proof that thinking is flawed. It may not have stopped the conservatives from winning but new ideas and fresh faces to fight for them can be progress.
I imagine a system where you get two ballots: your "real" ballot that actually has an effect and your "principled" ballot which is reported separately and has no impact.
I hear people say that and really hope they're talking about recent local polling, and not some vague notion that "the NDP can't win".
My parents think that if I vote, I kill their vote. Good thing I don't live with them, and just lied to my mother via text. Also talked to my NDP MPP, he is very nice and voted for him, I don't think he will get elected though.
I'm sorry your parents are garbage.
I convinced my partner to start voting even before when I knew he voted for a different party than myself, because it's important to fucking vote.
That's fucked up.
This thinking is flawed if applied in general without any consideration of the dynamics in a particular riding. I don't know how many people think and vote this way without checking their riding's numbers. Perhaps many. In my riding it was the right move, as the NDP candidate got under 5%. Given how three seats were won by less than 40 votes, I think there's some validity in informed strategic vote. But voting for OLP instead of ONDP "strategically" without checking riding numbers is very much flawed and I hope these people, along with traditional OLP voters would do something else the next time around.
Maybe ndp would have more than 5% of the vote if people picked the candidate they actually want instead of voting strategically.
True if you believe strategic vote is a large proportion. I don't. I believe the majority of voters vote based on party leaders, past preferences, etc. I don't believe strategic vote can make up a 40% difference. I believe strategic vote shift to ONDP would mean PCs stay at 45% while OLP and ONDP get to something closer to 35% and 15%, or 30/20. The PCs still win, with higher margin. That's my guess. For the parties to switch positions in such riding, I believe it'll take significant campaigning by the ONDP candidate as well as Marit Stiles positioning herself as a significantly better leader than whoever heads the OLP, and clear, bold populist policies. If such a change occurs, the informed strategic vote will shift accordingly. If the polls in my riding showed 5-10% advantage for the ONDP I'd have voted for them.