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President Volodymyr Zelensky left the White House early without signing a mineral deal with the United States following a heated exchange with President Donald Trump on Feb. 28.

Zelensky departed in his motorcade around 1:45 p.m. local time, without holding a joint news conference scheduled for later in the day, after the two leaders got into a heated argument while speaking with journalists in the Oval Office.

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CNN reported that following the exchange, Zelensky and Trump left to separate rooms, with the Ukrainian delegation wanting to continue talks with the Trump administration.

Trump later ordered his officials to tell the Ukrainian officials to leave the White House, despite protest from the Ukrainian delegation.

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[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

We will hopefully do that, but it's also up to the American citizens to finally put up a proper resistance. One of the most worrying things to me is how indifferent the majority of Americans seem to be to their country turning fascist and betraying its allies. There were some protests sure, but they're ridiculously tiny compared to protests in even much smaller countries like Georgia. It's time to wake the fuck up before power has fully been consolidated and there's no way back. Europe may be able to stand alone against Russia, but against Russia and the US will be tough.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's worse than indifference. I posted on NextDoor about NOAA being gutted (this was 2-weeks ago, not about today's news) and the response was fucked. Got called a socialist, communist, "fuck is wrong with people when we try to reduce spending", happy to spend money on weather apps as-is (who the fuck does that?!), liberal (in a bad way, of course), some shit about me shitting on vets (?!), on and on. Shit was so hard-on for Trump and Musk it was the most commented post for a week.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

some shit about me shitting on vets

Which is weird, because Trump is well known for his hatred of veterans, especially veterans who were disabled in combat. And how he's doing his best to strip them of what little support they actually had.

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I lost confidence in the American public. The egos that are displayed on TV and social media has brainwashed everyone. It’s infuriating to see it all.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

About 35% of Georgia's population lives in Tbilisi. The second largest population center is is Batumi at around 6%. There are 360km between them.

The Los Angeles metro area is America's largest population center at around 5% of the population. The DC metro area is the 7th largest at just under 2% of the population. There are 4300km between them.

This is on top of the car centric sprawl of US cities with minimal public transportation. If (even generously) 30% of the population wanted a unified protest, how would they reach each other? Let alone converge to protest at somewhere that matters.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Oh, come on. There are still cities with millions of people, where hundreds of thousands could easily get together to protest. Cities double the population size of the entire country of Georgia. There were much larger protests e.g. in DC under the first Trump administration but this time it's too much of a bother?

[–] stickly@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That was after 4 years of unrest. "Could easily get together" sounds like its coming from someone who's never had a daily 2 hour round-trip driving commute. Let alone the fact that half of America was sub 0°F (-17°C) for multiple days in the past month.

Protest size will grow as the weather warms up and the crackdowns fully begin. But don't expect to see much on the news. This time around the media and tech moguls have all preemptively bent the knee.

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You've answered the question of why America doesn't protest, but maybe not in the way you think you have

[–] stickly@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

Think whatever you want but I'm pretty tired of this weird ass foreign political exceptionalism. Why do the residents of Moscow not get shit for weak protests against Putin? Because America is far closer to that situation than other smaller countries facing a weaker central authority. But sure, just keep telling us to go burn the Reichstag....

Pretty easy to say "just get out and protest" when your local police don't have armored cars and grenade launchers.