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With climate change looming, it seems so completely backwards to go back to using it again.

Is it coal miners pushing to keep their jobs? Fear of nuclear power? Is purely politically motivated, or are there genuinely people who believe coal is clean?


Edit, I will admit I was ignorant to the usage of coal nowadays.

Now I'm more depressed than when I posted this

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[โ€“] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As many people pointed out, we never stopped. Nor will be stop for decades to come. Unlike what people hear online, change takes time.

[โ€“] Carighan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's also something I wish people would keep in mind more when evaluating whether decisions or even whole politicians and their terms have an effect or what effect: A large portion of your own term in an office is spent on realizing the decisions made by your predecessor, and/or trying to prevent their worst effects. Conversely, anything a current politician does will have most of it's effects after they left office.

[โ€“] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh absolutely. The first year of any new president will mostly be governed by what policies were signed under the previous president.

And many of times, certain agreements are multi year ones which yiu have little control over.

Either way, we have time. Yes, we shouldn't lose momentum to keep the changes coming, but holy crap we have some people in here who never step away from the internet and are fed an endless stream of over hyped doom and gloom.

[โ€“] A7thStone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Time of something we don't have the luxury of.

[โ€“] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

Relax. Get off the internet for a few days. We got time.

[โ€“] Oneobi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is why the whole Stop Oil crew need to take a deep breath.

What do they think is going to happen if we suddenly stop using oil? It is phased approach but, no, bank's are bad for funding them.

Reliance on oil and coal is an immediate human need but it will diminish.

[โ€“] blackbrook@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

When has it ever been a realistic worry that we would just very suddenly completely stop using oil? This is like being in a car careening down a hill and saying to the people saying "hit the brakes!" "Woah whoa, do you have any idea what would happen if we deccellerated to a complete stop in a millisecond? We'd be crushed flat! "

[โ€“] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

They're all triggered into thinking the world is going to collapse tomorrow, and it is infuriating.

In 50 years, we're still going to have cars that run on gas. We'll still have plastic bags and straws. The world will not have ended.

The worst part of all this doom and gloom is that it is going to make some people think nothing can be done, so why bother. Then there are going to be some 9ther people who want change, but after a few years they will start to wonder why hasn't the environmental apocalypse happened yet and start thinking it was all a sham. You already hear that from people who grew up in the 70s when the last time this kind of thought was spreading. Back then everything was about global warming this and global warming that. We were going to boil over all our oceans and everyone was going to die. That never happened, obviously. In more recent years scientists have changed their views to the current climate change model where they state that some parts of the globe will actually get colder while other parts will get hotter. We will have more severe storms. That seems to reflect more of what is happening these days, but even the most doom and gloom scientists aren't claiming we will all die in a few short months. Yet that's kind of the hysteria of far too many folks online.

Yes, we have to do something, but relax, it's not going to all collapse by next week.

[โ€“] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Maybe if we had decided to "stop oil" like 60years ago, it wouldn't be an issue anymore? But since we didn't 60 years ago, perhaps we should have plan to replace fossil fuels with something that burn and can provide power day or night, rain or shine and maybe we should start building these things NOW.