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Tesla Sales Fall Off A Cliff Globally, Including Germany, Australia, And China
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I’m not surprised. They’re more expensive and far more inconvenient than petrol or diesel cars.
When electric cars are cheaper than petrol cars and when I can fill one up in 2 minutes I’ll consider buying one and not before.
This is Tesla sales, not EV sales. It strikes me as indicative of people finally deciding that they aren't willing to give money to a company whose public face is Musk.
I don't really care who runs a company. That never factors into my decisions.
But i'll NEVER own an EV because they are cars for morons. When hydrogen cars are the norm i'll stop buying diesel cars.
Defend your position, dipshit.
Send this refugee back where he came from 😤
Glad you let us know! For a moment there, almost took you seriously.
Hydrogen is the real fuel of the future. It’s 100% clean, abundant and takes as long to refuel as a petrol car.
As soon as they work out storage and transport of hydrogen cost effectively it’s game over for fossil fuels and conventional EVs.
the fact that it isn't a fuel doesn't matter?
What's that got to do with it. An ICE will last a LOT longer that your batteries.
I was talking about hydrogen. It's not a fuel. It is not abundant. It literally escapes the earth completely when released into the atmosphere. Stuff containing hydrogen is abundant, not the same thing, because the hydrogen has already given up its energy to get there. Hydrogen has to be manufactured, possibly through electrolysis (putting in more energy than burning the hydrogen back into water) or, as is much more common and cheaper.... made from fossil fuels.
No, it really isn't. It's not abundant in accessible forms without using a shit ton of energy and rare metals.
Storage will never be solved. Even if magically we could compress it to a reasonable volume and kept the tank small, it's still a literal bomb inside of a car. A bomb that can explode twice, and much bigger than gas, diesel, or batteries.
Hydrogen will never be a reality because we will just keep using gas and diesel, with emissions filters, making them very clean. Its conservative propaganda that's been around my entire life that the next evil progressive is gonna ban ICE cars. So they weirdly started drinking the kool-aid about hydrogen.
Hydrogen is abundant with abundant renewables. Electrolysis is only/best by far path to unlimited renewables and unlimited energy.
It's not a reason to avoid EVs for personal use now, as they are getting pretty good, but FC range extenders will be available eventually. Commercial vehicles need the range and refueling speed. Only countries that stop hating China can hope for H2 economy, because US dominated countries will be sabotaged from cheap renewables and electrolysis.
I dare you to say that to a Mirai driver's face.
"they are cars for morons" - person who cannot rely on themselves to plug in their car overnight
ADHD peeps catching strays 😭
Yeah, no, that's completely false.
You know how long it takes to refuel my car? About 5 seconds. That's about how long it takes to drag the connector over and plug it in before I head inside.
I also don't have to worry about being mugged inside the store, having things stolen from my vehicle, or even the vehicle itself stolen, or having my credit card skimmed and stolen.
Take off the foil hat and calm down.
If I want to go somewhere further than a tank of diesel will allow it takes about 2 minutes to refuel and I'm away again. It is simply not possible to recharge any EV in 5 seconds. Once your battery is empty you're in for a long wait.
Also if you're worried about being mugged and having things stolen from your car you need to move and remember to lock your car before going in to pay. Or pay at the pump.
Plus the chances of your card being cloned with a chip and pin machine in a shop are so close to zero its not even worth worrying about. But in than 1 in a million chance it happened if you're smart enough to have a bank account with protection you'll be covered.
Petrol and Diesel are so much more convenient its worth paying slightly more for the fuel.
EV's are more of a statement. "look at ME! I care about the environment!" Do you bollocks. You're just after cheap electricity.
Most of the world doesn't have drives needing more than a full EV battery, not even most of the US. EV sales are up, and in a lot of places, it's shifting to be the norm.
Buying ICE, especially a truck when you don't need one is a statement, not buying an EV like everyone else.
Sorry, are you really just going to deny the many crimes taking place at gas stations?
Your battery should never be empty. With modern charging tech it's usually ~15 mins. at a fast charger to go 10-80%. The car is usually ready before me.
You're out of your depth. This still happens all the time.
LOL no.
I'm guessing you're American. The rest of the world isn't quite the crime ridden hellhole.
As for charging. Filling my car up doesn't damage the fuel tank. Fast charging a battery is not good for them.
Do you think burning diesel doesn't "damage" your engine? Do you think transmissions last indefinitely?
An engine will last a lot longer than your battery cells.
Quite the opposite, actually.
I’m not sure where you’re getting your info from. But after 10 years of fast charging an EV’s battery’s will be royally fucked.
But 10 years for a petrol or diesel car is nothing. My last car was 15 years old and ran like a dream until an old biddy pressed the accelerator instead of the brake in her car and wrote mine off.
I'm not sure where you're getting your info from but no one fast charges their battery for 10 years.
No because EVs don’t last that long.
Okay I think it's pretty clear that you're just trolling now.
Batteries degrade over time and fast charging accelerates that degradation. After a decade of charging and fast charging the battery’s capacity will be a fraction of what it was when new.
These are facts, indisputable and verifiable facts.
If you think I’m trolling then I am dead right about the intelligence of the average EV driver. They’re morons in denial about their poor purchase decisions.
No one is disputing that, Strawman. We're disputing the notion that a battery will be "royally fucked" after 10 years and that anyone "fast charges their vehicle for 10 years", as you put it.
What the hell are you talking about? 10 years of regular fast charging will fuck the battery.
Now clearly you have zero understanding about how and why battery degradation occurs yet you have planted your flag and are prepared to die on this hill.
As you seem rather unintelligent and/or a troll there doesn't appear to much point in continuing this conversation.
Good bye.
What is "regular" fast charging? This is a point that you refuse to expound on because you know it will destroy your own argument. Most people will not fast charge more than a dozen times a year or so. 99% of charging will be done at home.
I see now you've moved on from strawmanning to personal attacks. You're really putting together some super compelling arguments here.
Feel free to provide sources for any of this nonsense.
I think for a commuter car ev is the way to go especially if your jobsite has free or subsidized charging, then an ICE car for camping and road trips
Oh shoot then why do I always see people sitting in their cars in parking lots charging if it only takes 5 seconds
Believe it or not there are actually different types of charging. The type you're referring to is rarely to never necessary for most people.
Most of those things could happen regardless of what kind of car you have, or where your car is.
They don't happen if you don't go to the gas station. If my car is electric I don't need to go to the gas station.
You don't need to go to a gas station for most of those things to happen, either. Actually, a gas station is probably safer that your average store parking lot, so you should probably avoid those as well.
Now that I think about it, any time my cars have been broken into, I have been home. Any time my card was skimmed, it wasn't at a gas station.
Your fear of gas stations seems unrealistic.