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I want to like Linux and leave Windows, but when I say that I don't want to be forced to use CLI/terminal because I don't live in the 1970s, people get angry at me.
If all you do is web browse and play games, you should be able to use Linux without the CLI just fine.
I installed Ubuntu in a VM to torrent with mulvad. I had to go to the command line. Worse was googling gave multiple contradictory instructions that further reading yielded "deprecated".
I made it work because I've been doing it for 30 years. Anyone else would be better with Windows where it just works.
This is the most Lemmy interaction I've seen in awhile:
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I'm not complaining, just watching in admiration of you all.
Yeah, it's kinda adorable to watch actually.
I mean. I don't mind CLI, but I found it ridiculous that there seems to be no default text editor on Ubuntu. Like, I couldn't look into a text file without pulling up the terminal.
Huh, why not just use QBittorrent? I've never even felt the need to reach for the command line with torrents (Linux ISOs of course) because it works so well.
Yes it was QBitTorrent. The problem was getting mulvad out of the VM while letting QBitTorrent use a local network share to save files. I needed everything to be static ips.
Would you have been able to create your specific use case on Windows? Because most people don't try "getting mulvard out of the VM". That's the type of thing that's in my experience usually (I don't know about this case specifically - that's why I'm asking) a lot easier on Linux than on Windows (not that it's easy)
The reason I brought it up was because it worked without problems in a Windows VM. But I really didn't want to run Windows so I worked on Linux until it worked.
Unfortunately I'm a software developer...
I can use a CLI, but I'd rather not.
Vibe coder? 😏
MORE REALISTIC MORE REALISTIC
You mean more cow bell?
Gross
been on Linux mint for a year now and the only time i use the terminal is to git push to update my website. so far, nothing else I've been doing has needed the terminal.
Git does have a desktop version with a GUI, but the CLI is much simpler
does it? because I've looked and have only been able to find things that will tell me the status of my repository but not actually let me simply click a button to commit and push.
Oh, I assumed you were using github, my bad. There probably isn't a good desktop app for git outside of github.
I am using github though.
Keep in mind that if I actually try to look at github, my smoothbrain glazes over. I've only checked what's available through my package manager. I probably should have included that in the previous comment.
Ah, I see. If you look up "Github Desktop" online it should have a Linux version. I haven't actually used it outside of Windows, but I can't imagine it's missing committing/pushing to github, that's the whole point of the app! And yeah, github can be pretty daunting initially, there's a lot going on and it didn't feel intuitive to me initially either. I wish I had better advice other than just stick with it, but that's what I did so I don't know of any good guides
You brought this on yourself, you realise that, right?
Silly to get angry about, because you can use Linux just fine without it. But the terminal is a powerful tool.
The CLI does some things so fast though. I myself like bypassing the gui and interacting more directly. Same reason I only drive manual cars and grind my own coffee (autistic?) But yes, I am glad linux has a gui and we shouldn't force the cli on people who grew up with ipads.
any tips for learning manual?
Find a friend with one, otherwise the key is to be smooth and really feel the clutch engagement. It's different for every vehicle. Its a balance between clutch and gas. With a lower power car you'll need more gas to balance while letting the clutch out. With an old manual truck, you pretty much need no gas input to get going because of torque. Another good way to learn could be just pick up an old g27 or g29 wheel (they have 3 pedals and a shifter either h pattern or paddles) and learn that way with a racing simple like LFS, Asetto Corsa, or Automobilista 2.
Depending where you live there's all sorts of sub $800 manual cars. That's how I learned (rusty $500 crx)
ffmpeg is one of the things where I prefer the CLI. It's crazy powerful, and does some insane things in pretty simple commands. I've seen a meme that says half the internet is just wrappers for ffmpeg, and I'm inclined to agree.
Also, as an arch user (btw) pacman / AUR are a much better experience than having to hunt down the installers for everything online.
Similarly, the right CLI tools make searching for files across my entire computer much simpler and way faster than I could ever do with a GUI
I don't want to be one of the people you think is angry at you, but I do want to proselytize a bit.
have you ever used a dedicated download manager? think of the terminal, first, as a dedicated download manager. All you do is type wget and then paste in the URL.
eventually, you may want to specify where the file goes, or what it's named when you finally download it, or something else. then, you can look up which flags to add with
wget -hI suggest you try Linux, any flavor, but especially Debian or Debian variants. instead of thinking you need to learn to use terminal, just remember that you have a dedicated download manager called terminal.
The thing is you will eventually learn that the terminal does a lot more than called wget. and you already know how to get help, and add flags.
Kill me.
No one is forcing you to learn it, but you do need it for getting out of trouble.
The CLI is the fastest way of getting things done if you know what you're doing.
you most definitely do need to use it on Linux, especially if you have a Nvidia graphics card... Audio issues are also prevalent.
OpenSUSE. People don't seem to give it much love, but their system settings application YaST makes command line usage completely avoidable for average users. Even for power users, YaST makes command line usage optional rather than necessary for most tasks.
While this was true 10-15 years ago, nearly all popular distros include graphical configuration tools that are as good or better than Yast these days.
Cli usage on Linux is entirely optional these days on most Linux distributions, but once you learn a bit of cli use you actually realize that it can be a very helpful tool.
I don't think anyone is arguing CLIs aren't useful, pretty sure we all know that. It's not like you see the l33t haxxorz in movies tearing through GUI windows. We're saying we don't want to have to rely on it to do stuff frequently, for one reason or another.
And as far as saying it's optional, I must be a power user, because even on Ubuntu I felt I couldn't do much of anything without opening CLI.
IMO one of Linux' greatest follys is demanding perfection to the point where everyone just tries to make the superior way of doing things, then you end up with a mess of different ways to implement the same things. It's like that joke about coding languages, each one meant to be the final perfect language. Like with installers, on Windows you're generally going to get an exe, an msi, or some compressed file type that you just need to drag files into their location. Linux? I can't even tell you how many different methods I've seen for installing various things, none of which seems to be the "standard". Even compression seems to be way more all over the place, on Windows I only ever really see 7z, zip and rar, but I've seen a dozen different compression types for Linux files. That's incredibly confusing for dumb people like me.
If you say it like that you are pretty much trying to aggravate them, though
When I need to run terminal, it's because I'm following a specific guide to fix or setup something. It's not much different than following a similar guide for Windows, except there might be a bit more copy+paste going on on Linux.
The omnipresent mentions of terminal also delayed my switch and it was completely unnecessary.
Yes, I eventually managed to learn how to do most stuff without the terminal, but almost all "How to do Whatever on Linux" tutorials immediately jump into it.
I know the terminal is more distro-agnostic, but even the distro-specific tutorials do it.
Yes, but day to day usage, you don't have to touch it
With flatpak/snap you don't need to use terminal anymore.
Then don't use the terminal. You don't need it.