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[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The environmental impacts of this dam were immense, as were just the like impacts on real people. Millions of people were moved to newly built cities or existing cities because their homes were flooded. Entire cities were dismantled. It was an absolutely massive project that unequivocally made the lives of millions worse (at least in the short term and watching their homes be flooded intentionally). Granted taming the Yellow River is a massive feat, and the power this thing generates is insane, but there are plenty of legitimate critiques to be made.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This is what actual good-faith criticism of socialist projects looks like, as opposed to liberals' "communism no iphone 100 billion dead."

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

Common hexbear W

[–] WellTheresYourCobbler@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hydro in general might be clean but it is so environmentally destructive :(

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you have to weigh the destruction it causes in the short term to the preservation it contributes to in the long term

[–] theturtlemoves@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even in the long term, it (1) breaks the river into pieces, preventing fish moving up and down, (2) causes silting of the reservoir and lack of silt deposition downstream, and (3) can stress the underlying rock, which is not a great idea in earthquake-proe areas (like northeast China).

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

in the long term it is another piece in the energy puzzle that prevents the death of all life on earth but i can understand your concerns