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Social media influencers are fuelling a rise in misogyny and sexism in the UK's classrooms, according to teachers.

More than 5,800 teachers were polled... and nearly three in five (59%) said they believe social media use has contributed to a deterioration in pupils' behaviour.

One teacher said she'd had 10-year-old boys "refuse to speak to [her]...because [she is] a woman". Another said "the Andrew Tate phenomena had a huge impact on how [pupils] interacted with females and males they did not see as 'masculine'".

"There is an urgent need for concerted action... to safeguard all children and young people from the dangerous influence of far-right populists and extremists."

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[–] SabinStargem 122 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I don't think it is social media. It is much more simple: people can't spend time with each other. Employers keep reducing the wages, while maintaining or increasing the amount of work their employees have to do. This means that workers can't invest time into friends or family, which in turn deprives children of healthy role models.

Jackasses like Tate get to influence the children, because there is a void that has been left empty - Tate has enough wealth and time to fill in for society. Work culture is a ravenous beast, forever chasing workers. If you pause, you lose everything. So you might as well sacrifice the time you could spend with family, since you would lose them anyway if you shirk being a breadwinner.

Optimization for the sake of line going up, inevitably destroys everything that surrounds the pillar that society is forced to worship.

[–] Master167@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago

I would also include the death of the “third place”. Because even if you work enough to survive, where do you spend your time outside of the home with other people in your community without spending money? Even worse options if you want kids allowed.

One of the only places I know of is the library. But I’d be very surprised by an 8-10 year old boy spending their time at the library.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Jackasses like Tate get to influence the children, because there is a void that has been left empty

I'd like to amend this to say that there is void that support "boys". There's a lot of encouragement for the development of girls into STEM, into sports, into everything else but there's no encouragement for boys. Boys are left to fend for themselves and if they don't get the right support and encouragement at home, they end up ripe for influencers like Tate.

[–] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d24/tables/dt24_318.45.asp

TLDR: men are twice as likely to get a stem degree. Which is down from 30 years ago which was 5x

I have no confidence you'll read those stats so I'll just leave them here for anyone else to see just how confused you are. There's a minor bump due to an increase in girls in STEM funding. An increase that still does not have parity with the cultural inertia of boys in stem.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Why don't you look at all Bachelor Degrees for White Males (seems to be biggest followers of misogynist influencers)

2012-2021 (excluding COVID years as edge cases) :

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d24/tables/dt24_322.20.asp

6% drop in bachelor degrees for white males vs 1% drop for white women (aligning the races makes it more of an apple to apple comparison)

My point is that stupid, discouraged boys are easily influenced by right-wing misogynists. You want fix this, fix the next generation before it's too late.

[–] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Your point isn't supported by either graph

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Go ahead, you keep enjoying have shitheads running around and keep lamenting how there's nothing to do.

[–] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Look at my post history. There's plenty for them to do.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/36531366/18139286

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A lot of them spend their free time in their bedrooms, gaming. Their only friends are online gamers that are in other parts of the world. They have no actual physical interaction.

I've even seen posts where young men in their 20s are finally making enough money that they can finally visit online friends that they've known for years, often describing them as "best friends."

[–] SwordandArt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s interesting my friends kid is 13. A couple of years ago they were able to take a trip across country to visit their online friends that they spend all their time with in games. Those kids are all girls. This life style truly isn’t exclusive to one gender. The father works a 9-5 and the mother is a stay at home mom with some side hustles for extra cash. Their kid seems to be kind but who knows what she is really getting into online. This world is like a caricature of itself.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I would argue that those factors aren't a direct cause, but the isolation leaves them vulnerable to things like this. The internet used to be wide open and your semi-random traversal of independent sites would still expose you to a diverse array of people and content.

The pursuit of profit led to massive, accessible, engagement driven social media platforms. Optimization for ad views meant segmenting demographics and serving them distilled content. The hyper specific content led to these demographics living in echo chambers based on their flavor of polarizing content.

The Tate-sphere is built around exploiting that isolation and selling bogus solutions. There's no specific reason the algorithm funnels into it other than it's catches a broad user base on a charged topic => $$$. The algorithm could just as easily push young men into fighting for socially beneficial causes, but anger is a strong emotion that gives the most money.

[–] arun@ani.social 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's not either or. It could be both. In rhis case, most of these reasons can be traced back to the perversion of capitalism.