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[–] odium@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

While I agree with the comparison in the post, the trolleybus powered by renewable energy shouldn't be compared to gas cars.

It should be compared to electric cars powered by renewable energy.

[–] Lutz69@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I disagree, the bus is still replacing the purpose of the gas cars. The bus should just be compared to both gas and electric cars.

[–] Player2@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

It is easier and cheaper to make one larger electric vehicle than 68 smaller ones, and they would damage the road less too. Of course this kind of comparison between two different things is inherently very difficult to do fairly

[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Trolleybuses are much lighter, cheaper and reliable than regular electric bus or car. Also: a car is still a car.

[–] odium@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Ik that ttolleybuses are better than electric cars in carbon footprint, traffic, etc. I'm just proposing that we compare things with the same power source together. It makes more impact to say that an electric trolley is x% better on y metric compared to electric cars, than to say they are x% better than gas cars.

Imagine a situation where you say electric trolleybuses are superior to gas cars for reasons x, y, and z on xcretion or speddit. Then some elon musk bootlicker or big oil bootlicker replies to you saying "what about electric cars" or "what about gas buses"? You craft a meticulous reply about why gas buses are better than electric cars. But it's too late. Thousands of lurkers saw the bootlicker's reply to you but will never see your rebuttal. Many of them are now more against public transportation.

[–] moitoi@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Nope, a car electric or not creates multiple issues like urbanism, pollution (i.e: noise, visual, microplastics), hotspots, hostiles environment like parking lots, increase deaths rates, consequences on flooding, etc.

A lot of them can be solved with public transportation.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

How are buses still not better? The ratio of individual people being moved to total mass being moved is better. The maintenance and insurance fees are collective. The driver of the bus is a trained professional vs some rando commuter.