Honestly I feel like I'm taking crazy pills whenever people online talk about this, I barely see any tate influence in the young men I know. The older folks seem wildly misogynistic, in comparison.

And these aren't even just people from like orgs, I volunteer at high schools and professional associations with student wings (in a generally conservative industry) where I meet plenty of young people.

[–] whogivesashit@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

In my experience, a lot of these dudes are also incredibly aware of how their politics are perceived in general and don't espouse them as blatantly as someone from an older generation might.

Being someone masc presenting at work, I've had several instances where I ended up alone with other young male coworkers and was subjected to outpouring of misogynistic nonsense when they thought they have someone who was on their side and wouldnt report them.

And whats more crazy is I've never been close to any of these people outside of a work environment and never discussed anything remotely personal at all. They genuinely just thought "here's another male, they'll agree with me". Mostly millennial more than gen-z if that matters to anyone.

For more personal anecdotes about the older generation thing. I've had two older like gen-z bosses who just blatantly pointed out women's bodies they were eyeing while we were walking into work with like a crowd of people. Boss dynamics make it also different but it just also feels like younger dudes wouldn't be as blatant idk.

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would like to see any empirical evidence to suggest what percent actually like him/other misogynistic icons. It is definitely far too many but I imagine the media might just be trying to get clicks and shares by saying that everyone is.

[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

In the Netherlands the public broadcaster polled young men and found that one in four "agreed (partially) with Andrew Tate" and that in that group half of them agreed with his statement that women are lazy compared to men.

If you look at support for the far-right, it's usually much higher among young men than among young women, except in France where the RN scores high among both. On average the far-right is supported by a third of young men, going by an EU poll from 2024: https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-young-people-right-wing-voters-far-right-politics-eu-elections-parliament/

The most damning study is this one, where 60% of Gen Z men believe the US has become "too soft and feminine": https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/aug/07/gen-z-voters-political-ideology-gender-gap

However, it says that this doesn't make them exceptionally conservative, it only looks like it because young women are turning left at a high rate, creating a large political gap between the genders:

Gen Z men, Deckman noted, have “reverted to the mean of men”: while they’re not necessarily more conservative that most men, they are more conservative than their millennial counterparts.

Note: the graph only considers "liberals" and "conservatives"

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 1 points 20 hours ago

+30 Lib

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 day ago

Interesting, I do wonder how much this is influenced by willingness to fill out a poll on the subject, as I imagine that many would not unless they already had some position taken on the matter. Definitely a problem one way or another though