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Can you give one example of a long-term, large scale, non-hierarchical system in human society?
Anarchism. We used it for most of human history, hierarchical societies are only 6k years old. The human species has existed for 200k years.
Are you joking? Ever heard of tribalism? Even monkeys use it.
Total horseshit.
Name one society based on Anarchism
Teenage anarchism ideologies basically boild down to "So I won't have to go to school and read anymore". If they actually knew what anarchism is, they'd be surprised to learn that there is a lot of reading to do in order to fully understand an anarchist society or one of its many sub-structures.
Anarchy doesn't necessarily mean chaos without structure, as many believe. However, chaos without structure is one of the variants of anarchy.
anarchism does not have to mean absence of law
Most laws that exist serve to protect private property. An anarchist society wouldn't have private property, so most laws that exist would be to punish transgressions between individuals. Political anarchy is not "do whatever you want, whenever you want, no exceptions". It's a direct democracy without hierarchy, with elected stewards to manage the shared property in a library economy.
Anarchism is not the absence of law.
So why don't YOU take your teenager education and learn more?
Tribes are not anarchies. They have leaders. Put any group of people together and a hierarchy naturally forms. You actually have to work really, really hard to prevent this. That's why anarchies are so unstable and rarely last longer than a few years.
Yeah, I like having electricity, plumbing, and not needing to murder other males to protect my harem too much. We need some sort of society, not the absence of one.
Anarchy is the lack of heirarchy, not the lack of society. Please educate yourself before making an ignorant comment like this.
an·ar·chy /ˈanərkē/ noun
-a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority or other controlling systems. -the organization of society on the basis of voluntary cooperation, without political institutions or hierarchical government; anarchism.
Educated enough? Everybody gonna cooperate and no one is going to go Mad-Max robber Baron on essential resources? Everyone going to voluntarily decide to fix potholes and collect garbage?
It's wild that some people here will agree that libertarianism is dumb and wouldn't work, but then turn around and say anarchism is the best system.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling
Yep. Doesn't work. Ultimately, Anarchism, socialism, communism, libertarianism, democracy are all ideals. A functioning society can't and won't be a 100% ideal system. There are jerks, grifters, thieves and fanatics who will subvert those ideals for personal gain, or simply to harm others. We can work towards the ideal priciples of those social systems, but we will never, and should never reach them.
But we evolved away from it as our societies and needs became more complex. Maybe it worked when we were hunter gatherers living in caves but modern society requires a heriarchy to organise and maintain it.
Hunter-gatherers have hierarchies, too. Don't buy this BS.
Many complex societies were egalitarian eg Cucatenia Trypillia, IVC etc.
We didn’t “evolve” away from egalitarianism because complexity yada yada yada. Hierarchy just won because it’s more oppressive and violent.
Let's say you're right. How can anarchy win, then?
So… an evil system that puts the majority of people on the bottom to be exploited is ok because it’s more violent and kills all other systems?
I’m not a tactician, or strategist.
I don’t care how it can win. It has to, or we all will die lmao.
Why do we need hierarchy? Are you unable to make decisions?
About all the facets of modern life? Yes. At least, completely informed decisions.
I don't know much about West Nile Virus. If I get West Nile, I need to consult an expert.
Who decides who's an expert? Why should I trust what Jane says and not what Steve says?
To organise and manage. Who's going to set and control healthcare? The economy? Utilities? Infrastructure? Defence?Education? Justice? Social care? I don't have the time nor will to make informed decisions about every single policy or law. I'd imagine the vast majority of people are ere same. We have representatives to make these decisions for us.