this post was submitted on 11 Sep 2023
53 points (83.5% liked)

Ask Lemmy

26924 readers
1219 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions

Please don't post about US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have funDoxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] gndagreborn@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fallacy of the middle ground. This is where most 'centrists' fall.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's interesting, because I was going to say I hate how a lot of people are very susceptible to extremism and binary thinking.

[–] gndagreborn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Agreed, but some solutions have a fairly binary answer. Extremism is a huge problem, but that is part on centrists tolerating intolerance and not taking a stance. There is no middle ground for racist ideology. There is no room for it in society. The answer to "I believe the Jews should be exterminated" is simply opposing it, "Jewish people have a right to maintain and cultivate themselves and their culture. To put it simply, for someone who wishes complete death for the Jews, the answer is not the middle ground. You cannot compromise and say "how about we kill half a Jew only?". This example is stupid and has lots of flaws, but I just came off of night shift.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

There is no middle ground for racist ideology.

Perhaps, but what counts as an expression of “racist ideology?” It’s usually not as simple as the true extremists make it. Is a comedian making that tired old joke about how Black people fought to be able to sit at the front of the bus and now they all sit at the back racist? How’s about when a Black person cals a White person a cracker? What about when White people say the word removed when talking about the word historically? I work with the poor and mentally ill (therapist), and I have plenty of clients who have made generalized statements about the other racial groups they share their neighborhoods with, but they wouldn’t consider those statements racist, because in their experience they’re true, and they can’t be racist if they’re factual, right?

95% of the racist content out there is not so easy to discern and we as a society agree far less on it than our academics and news organizations suggest.