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EU countries resist Spain on making Catalan official language (www.politico.eu)
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[โ€“] geissi@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Also Catalan is spoken as a first language by about 4 million people.

That alone does not make a good reason. There are 12 million speakers of Bavarian. Should that also become an official EU language?

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[โ€“] Blaze@piefed.social 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Is Bavarian an official language of Bavaria? Are children taught in Bavarian most of their classes, are laws published in Bavarian, are movies released in Bavarian?

All of these are true for Catalan.

[โ€“] geissi@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago

So, you're saying the number of speakers alone is not a good reason?

[โ€“] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

Catalan is recognized as a language. For Bavarian it is contested and the majority of scholars consider it a dialect rather than language

Bavarian is commonly considered to be a dialect of German,[6][7][8] but some sources classify it as a separate language: the International Organization for Standardization has assigned a unique ISO 639-3 language code (bar),[9] and the UNESCO lists Bavarian in the Atlas of the World's Languages in Danger since 2009; however, the classification of Bavarian as an individual language has been criticized by some scholars of Bavarian.[10][11]

Reasons why Bavarian can be viewed as a dialect of German include the perception of its speakers, the lack of standardization, the traditional use of Standard German as a roofing language, the relative closeness to German which does not justify Bavarian to be viewed as an abstand language, or the fact that no country applied for Bavarian to be entered into the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.[12][13]

However if Bavaria would pay for it, i wouldn't mind them having EU documents translated too. However i doubt that they would want that, as their own laws are written in standards German and they would have to teach their entire legal system to also be able to read and write in Bavarian. This would be quite hilarious as the Bavarians would fail in their own supposed language, showing that the 12 million speakers are more casual dialect speakers instead of actually proficient in what is supposed to bei "their" language.