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Good women are young, quiet, have pretty long hair (never dyed a unnatural colour though!) and never speak up about being mistreated, ever. You want to complain about a genuine problem? Sorry, you're a Karen. Ask people to social distance? Karen. Nicely tell people to please be quiet during a movie? Karen. Ripped off by corporate greed and want a refund? Karen.

Be silent, be feminine and behave, woman.

It sucks because it actually used to describe real harrassment that black service workers experience. Now it's just "Mouthy mom aged women with short dyed hair"

I've even seen a male black service worker be called a "male Karen" I shit you not.

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[–] RION@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago (4 children)

"Karen" started out as calling out racism

I feel like I hear this claim pretty often here, but did it really? Pretty much all the early Karen stuff I can find are the she took the kids/can I speak to a manager/vaccines cause autism angles.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

I remember it originally meaning any expression of upper class privilege in the feminine. Picking on retail staff, the “don’t you know who I am” kind of attitude.

[–] Bruja@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Various names have been used as ‘white women calling cops on black people nicknames’.

  • 2018 BBQ Becky - YouTuber posted a video entitled “White Woman Called Out for Racially Targeting Black Men Having BBQ in Oakland”.
  • 2018 Permit Patty - Oakland, California woman called the police on an eight-year-old black girl and her mother for selling water outside her apartment. Her profession as the CEO of a medicinal marijuana company for animals was pointed at as illustrative of the difference between being white and black in America.
  • 2018 Pool Patrol Paula - Arrested for accosting a group of black teenagers while trying to forcibly remove them from a public swimming pool in South Carolina.
  • 2018 Baggage Claim - A female baggage claim attendant who was filmed refusing a black woman the name and contact of a manager, after the attempted to report a customer service issue at Logan International Airport in Boston.
  • 2018 Cornerstore Caroline - A female resident of Brooklyn, New York, who became the subject of a online scutiny, after accusing a nine-year old black child of sexual assault and calling the police on him. The allegations were later refuted by surveillance footage of the incident.
  • 2018 Golf Cart Gail - A white woman who was the subject of controversy, after calling the police on a black father watching his son's soccer game.

6 major incidents in 2018 alone. But a 2020 viral incident that got ‘Karen’ to stick.

  • 2020 Central Park Karen - The incident that led to the internet coming to a consensus, much to the chagrin of nice women named Karen everywhere. "Central Park Karen" is the white cop-caller nickname of Amy Cooper, who was recorded calling the police on an African American birder in Central Park in New York City after being asked by him to leash her dog in the park.
  • later in 2020 San Francisco Karen - A white man and woman confronted a person of color who was stenciling Black Lives Matter in chalk on their own property. In the video, the woman, Lisa Alexander, assumed James Juanillo was not the property owner and called the police.

A white couple call the police on me, a person of color, for stencilling a #BLM chalk message on my own front retaining wall. “Karen” lies and says she knows that I don’t live in my own house, because she knows the person who lives here.
https://twiiit.com/jaimetoons/status/1271300265170186240

Since then it’s been almost entirely “Karen” and like “woke” and so many other appropriations of Black culture, has been taken from original anti-racist meaning to just be another misogynistic term for “disliked woman” or “man acting like an entitled woman”.

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

You have an impressive knowledge of the history of this topic.

[–] Bruja@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

People were absolutely using “Karen” amongst a few other names for the entitled white woman stereotype, but the catalyst for standardising “Karen” was specifically about the racist Central Park Karen video viral. Around that time and George Floyd and BLM summer riots. The peak “Karen” was about BLM against racist white women. And it has since been watered down like a lot of the energy of the summer of 2020.

As this graph shows, “Karen haircut” peaked during the 2020 summer of BLM.

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I remember the “good karen” video where a girl just flipped off a bunch of police officers.

It was truly a time where everyone in america was anti-pig. Imagine if the bernards actually did something with it.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I could have sworn it was being thrown around earlier than that. Like, around 2014 or 15

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, it came from a meme about the Nintendo Switch reveal ad which came out in 2016.

EDIT: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nintendo-switch-karen

[–] RION@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not really disputing any of this except "original anti-racist meaning" because it doesn't seem like that's how it started even if that's what it morphed into around 2020

[–] Bruja@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Original is imprecise.

Certainly for the blips on the graph, “Karen” predates the anti-racist meaning and can be argued to be the “origin”.

For most people, including many in the thread, the owl that posts about this occasionally, myself, we hadn’t heard of it until the spike in the graph, so that is the “origin” even if not chronologically first.

The spike is the popular origin people are referring to saying it has lost the “original” meaning since. Saying that the “original” was earlier isn’t so much a ‘dispute’ as a reframing of context. Neither is necessarily more valid until the priority of time vs spread is declared.

The origin is both anti-racist and predates the anti-racist meaning depending on context. Many point to the spike, but pointing to the clock blips is also correct.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

Idk I feel like that's less of an origin than it is a popularization. Like, if someone asked for the origin of pepe I wouldn't say it started with 4chan edgelords even if that's how most people were exposed to it. I'd say it started in that webcomic but was popularized and turned into something else.

Ultimately a semantic issue but 乁⁠[⁠ ⁠◕⁠ ⁠ᴥ⁠ ⁠◕⁠ ⁠]⁠ㄏ

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A lot of the early examples I remember involved calling the cops on black people basically for existing.

For example, this article from 2021 which says, "It has gone on to become one of the most widely publicized so-called "Karen" incidents, where a white person, typically a woman, calls police to report a Black or brown person engaged in mundane activities."

[–] RION@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's not early, though. It was already pretty popular in like 2018 with the "she took the kids"

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago

Its much earlier than that. The “Karen took the kids” meme was just when it became mainstream.

it absolutely did not