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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/31339435

By Orlando Mayorquín and Jesus Jiménez
Reporting from Los Angeles
Published June 6, 2025 Updated June 7, 2025, 11:10 a.m. ET

"The raid at the clothing wholesaler began about 9:15 a.m. in the Fashion District, less than two miles from Los Angeles City Hall.

It was an extraordinary show of force. Dozens of federal agents wearing helmets and green camouflage arrived in two hulking armored trucks and other unmarked vehicles, and were soon approached by a crowd of immigrant activists and supporters. Some agents carried riot shields and others held rifles, as well as shotguns that appeared to be loaded with less-than-lethal ammunition."

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

What about losing people to fear of unsafe protest conditions and incarcerations makes sense to you? All so a few people can get their rocks off like Leroy Jenkins throwing shit at officers? It’s completely counterproductive when we don’t have the numbers to take it all the way.

I’m not taking any of this personally. I’m taking the logistics of it very seriously. This type of half-assed violent resistance is exactly how Hitler chipped away at the population. We cannot be dumber than Trump, especially when we literally have his playbook.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Please read and learn history. As others say they will make up escalations or excuses for violence because the point is to crack skulls and terrify civilians.

Like labour strikes broken up by police, voting rights broken up by police, soldiers camping for their pay broken up by tanks, civil rights protests broken up by police and brutality, Vietnam https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240503-kent-state-university-1970-protests-that-shook-the-us, BLM, and those Protesting against the genocide in gaze.

The only constant is protests are always a risk precisely because those in power are always afraid. Your point should be showing how to prepare not just go how dare those protesters do anything in response to getting upset.

I’m taking the logistics of it very seriously

you clearly aren't, again learn history as the Reichstag fire was just the Nazis doing a false flag to make up reasons for escalations and excuses for violence because the point is to crack skulls and terrify civilians.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I’m very familiar with history. What you fail to acknowledge is that our largest nationwide peaceful protest, which will ALWAYS outnumber the violent resistance, was 5M people. That’s 1.5% of our population.

My point of the Reichstag Fire as a metaphor is that Trump is clearly using this to incite us. If the goal was to get criminals first, they wouldn’t have stated in downtown LA. That’s a high profile message. He also chose to use the National Guard before ICE stated it was necessary, over the governor’s head.

I’m sorry you’re too passionate about this topic to see it for what it is, but I will not accept your misguided interpretation of the best strategy for our current situation.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Mate your strategy is do nothing instead of preparing or doing tutorials on how to prepare for violence against protesters.

And as usual ignored everything any other person has pointed out

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Protesting and reaching out to the disengaged is the strategy. I’m part of multiple groups that got our protests up to 5M nationwide in just a few months. We’re getting there, but we’re not there yet. Acting on emotions and driving people back into their homes in fear will undo real progress.

But I get it. You have big feelings.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Oh I see, your protest is the only one that matters. Yet I'm the emotional one?

I'm extremely curious which part of this you think is based on emotional.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I don’t follow. I’m in complete support of protest. I’m only condemning violent resistance with less than 1% of our population because of the damage it would do to protesting.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Maan. Don't be a jerk. It undermines you.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago

It's okay, they're apparently the only one allowed to talk about protesting. Then again if they're gonna be in a massive one youd think they'd want to work on preparing for how to handle police brutality and retaliation instead of yelling at others to just be peaceful or convince national guard to not go wild on protesters