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When was Iran tolerable? They're still as much of a fucked up theocracy with a terrible record on human rights as they've been since the revolution.
And they're less terrible than any country that is supporting Israel's Holocaust in Gaza.
Israel is terrible, but Iran is one of the few countries in the world that tops them.
They funded, supported, and armed Hezbollah in Lebanon hat has helped turn the country into a failed state
They funded, supported, and armed the Houthis in Yemen that helped turn the country into a failed state
They funded, supported, and armed Zaynabiyoun Brigade and Fatemiyoun DivisionIraq in Syria which helped make Syria's civil war so much worse
They funded, supported, and armed Kataib Hezb Allah, Harakat Hezb Allah al Nujaba, Badr organization, Kataib Sayyad al Shuhada, and Asaib Ahl al Haq in Iraq which turned the country into a failed state
They directly helped create the conditions that led to the rise of ISIS in both Iraq and Syria
They are openly arming and supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine
They support and fund Saraya al Ashtar and Saraya al Mukhtar in Bahrain to help destabilize the country
They fund, support, and arm the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Palestine to keep the country radical and violent against Israel (funny how Israel and Iran have the same goals here)
They supported the brutal Al Assad regime in Syria and helped keep him in power
They supported and funded Hezbollah al Hejaz in Saudi Arabia to try and destabilize the country
They literally have an entire branch in their military that's specifically created for the purpose of arming proxy groups to destabilize the region (Quds force)
They have been oppressing and killing their own people to such a comical degree that they even make other authoritarian countries uncomfortable
They Idk what planet people on this site live on, but Iran is not a force for good in any capacity. The people who support them are either evil, ignorant, or both.
I recall seeing a lot of posts on here praising the leadership whenever they said anything negative about Trump
But that's about the only stuff positive about Iran I've seen on here.
I said tolerable to the media. Been barely discussed in UK media until Israel attacked them, now they're scrambling to justify it based on how bad Iran is...
I'm not in the UK, but I recall Iran being in the media a lot in China and the US. Back when Trump assassinated one of their generals during his first term, the recurring abductions and rapes of women and young girls by the morality police that sparked nationwide protests, the arms they are providing for Russia in their invasion of Ukraine, and now Israel's unprovoked attack on Iranian infrastructure and citizens.
What do you expect iran to do want the whole west is imposing severe sanctions harming regular citizens. Iran as no choice but to work with russia. Iran could have been an neutral country if americans, israelis and britosh didn't support the shah coup
I expect them to stop harming their own civilians, too.
We don't need to cheer on an oppressive, totalitarian regime just because they're at odds with another oppressive, totalitarian regime.
Funny, I've been saying this for the last three years and liberals have been telling me that that makes me a tankie Putin simp.
Based on your other comment, I'm inclined to agree with the liberals.
I am cheering iran right to self defence not the regime harming their own civilians.
Do you condemn israel starting the war and killing civilians ?
Yes I condemn Israel, this isn't an either/or type of situation. Both countries are shitty.
Ukraine is also pretty shitty, but no one seems to have any problem understanding why people would cheer them on when they get attacked.
Funny how liberals can only extend that privilege to white countries
We saw how western and Israel intervention always has devastating effect to the population of those countries. The only rational way to think about this is Iran has to defend itself against foreign power known for indiscriminate destructions . Once once it is repealed . The Iranian population can fight against the regime
Sure, not saying Iran doesn't have the right to defend itself.
Revolution is sort of a separate consideration, however. Governments often use war as an excuse to continue eroding the basic rights of citizens, and Iran is no stranger to theocratic fascism. Revolutions can begin during wars.
1940's China paused its revolution in order to face the existential threat of Japan. On the other hand, 1910's Russia began its revolution during the ongoing conflict of the Great War. The people will reach a breaking point whenever things become too intolerable. It's different for each example.
Only soldiers on the ground by the usa may make the regime fall. Iran war will never got worse than gaza war. Despite famine, only few gazans are protesting hamas.
I will also repeat that western interventions always has terrible effects
I think we're having separate conversations, this is about a much needed people's revolution by the citizens in Iran to course correct for the Western meddling that landed them in their current situation.
Basically nothing for 2 years (the protests ended), and the first term for Trump ended in 2021, so 4 years ago. The only thing I have seen is about arms sales, occasionally and it doesn't express any opinion other than an Iran drone was used.
In the last few days since the attack, it's quite a lot about nuclear weapons that may be 2 months, 2 years or a 20 years away, and now about journalists. Basically, the strategy has changed to bumping them up the enemies list to justify the attacks.
We don't see much about the Syrian leader, as he's not much of a terrorist now he's working with the West.
It's interesting how media can pivot their narratives about who the heroes and villains are at any time, and it's always in line with government foreign policy.
Welp, you convinced me, I now support killing as many Iranians, men women and children, as it takes to save Iranians from the yoke of the Islamic Republic. /s
Waging war on Iran will not improve the situation of any Iranian, even the worst off. Do not use the name of the people who will be slaughtered by the millions for your warmongering propaganda.
Not sure how you got any of that from what I was saying. Feel free to take your black and white worldview somewhere else.
Oh, I just assumed that your parroting of the mainstream media justifications of this war of aggression to be an assent of this war. Sorry, my bad.