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[โ€“] tyler@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Very strange to put Kagi as โ€œless privateโ€ when itโ€™s the only non-self-hosted option that allows for completely private searches with their Privacy Pass tokens. You can access them with Tor, pay with crypto (not really that private though), and sign up with a fake email. https://kagi.com/privacy#anonymity

[โ€“] FallenWalnut@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It isn't marked as less private. It is grayed out because it is not based in Europe. I personally use them as I find them the best option with what is out there.

[โ€“] tyler@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The text at the bottom says โ€œkagi doesnโ€™t collect any identifying data, but does require an account, so it is considered less private than the alternativesโ€.

[โ€“] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

I think that's Walnut's nod to the fact that PrivacyGuides still hasn't wrapped their head around the concept of paid search.

I haven't seen any legitimate evidence that Kagi's Privacy Pass is any less private than any other search option on the market, but long ago PG defined private search as "not requiring an account" and are completely locked up on that concept.

Even though just about every VPN on the planet (and all of their recommended ones) require accounts, as do most of the other services they recommend. The world is just so used to "free" search (which just sells your data or your time) that they don't know what to do with a new business model.

[โ€“] Tenderizer@lemm.ee 1 points 15 hours ago

With fingerprinting and even just IP tracking, I think the question is more whether they can be trusted to not track you (i.e. whether it makes business sense).

[โ€“] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bitcoin isnโ€™t private at all. Itโ€™s a very transparent cryptocurrency.

[โ€“] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I didnโ€™t say bitcoin and I called out not really private in my comment.

[โ€“] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm just adding extra info to your comment. They take payment in Bitcoin, but crypto like Monero is private, which they don't take.