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Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 74 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (6 children)

New Simplicius report - Iranian Abyss: Will US Take the Plunge?

It's premium so I can't read it all but here's the key parts of what I can access:

  • Simplicius is now only more sure than ever that Israel expected the decapitation strikes to cause an immediate collapse, and when that did not happen, Israel was forced to go to Trump and get the US involved because Israel cannot handle a war of attrition with Iran (running out of interceptors to protect critical infrastructure)
  • Simplicius believes the current Iranian strategy is to deliberately slow down the conflict and fight to their strengths (a long war of attrition) rather than their weaknesses (a shock and awe campaign). This is a campaign inspired by Russia's actions in Ukraine. To conserve stockpiles, they send small volleys every day rather than dramatic overwhelming attacks that they can only do a few times before running out of missiles.
  • These small volleys are overall more effective as the social and economic pressure of constant sirens and forcing Israelis into the bunkers will deal more damage in the long run. Israel apparently went into this conflict expecting only 5000 settler deaths before Iran is defeated because they expected a giant wave from Iran that killed many people at once and provided a clear American casus belli.
  • There is no evidence to support Israeli claims of air domination over Iran. Israel is not flying planes over Iran for the most part; they are using drone strikes and cruise and ballistic missiles instead. This is supported by the fact that the footage we predominantly get out Israel shows drone video footage, and the numerous Israeli booster stages of missiles found in Iraq and Syria.
  • The only piece of footage that Simplicius has seen of Israel hitting Iran with aircraft is a video of JDAMs striking Kermanshah, just 100km into the border of Iran, which would have meant Israel penetrated a couple dozen kilometers into Iran to drop them.
  • Iranian long-range air defense has not been degraded at all. Israeli strikes are only evidenced on very old Mim-23 Hawks, short-range Karmin-2s, and the short/medium-range Khordad systems. The Bavar-373, an S-300 equivalent, shows no physical/video evidence of being degraded beyond mere Israeli claims, which are always very suspect.
  • To be fair, this is because Iran has very probably withdrawn their long-range systems east towards Isfahan to protect against potential US bombing, and Iranian heavy missile launchers are following them east for the protection.
  • Israel can't safely fly directly over Iranian territory; they couldn't even safely fly directly over Syrian territory until Jolani let them destroy Syria's air defense, which was substantially weaker than Iran's, and had to bomb Syria from behind Mount Lebanon before then. The US also could not safely fly over Yemeni territory, with F-35s launching stand-off strikes before they reached the border.
  • That all this began shortly after Iran finished its major rail link with China is not a coincidence; deepening connections with the East represents an existential threat to the Western program to isolate and weaken Iran that they've been enacting over the decades.
  • The West not only hopes to destroy Iranian nuclear sites, and not only wishes to enact regime change, but seeks to permanently divide Iran into a series of statelets from which it would be kept under pressure by dividing ethnic groups, preventing a future reconsolidation of the country.

There's then a section on what the US can and cannot do but my free access ends there.

Simplicius also seems pretty sure about Iran's abilities and about Israel's weakness where he's posted on Substack and Twitter.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Simplicius is now only more sure than ever that Israel expected the decapitation strikes to cause an immediate collapse

The decapitation strikes served their purpose, to prevent the initial barrage of hundreds, if not a thousand, ballistic missiles being fired at Israel as soon as they attacked (with no one alive to give the order, it never came), and to buy time for Israel to secure air superiority over the missile cities in Western Iran and start bombing them, crippling the ability of these assets to stay in the fight. I don't think anyone serious expected an immediate collapse of the Iranian government, and the president or Ayatollah were not targeted by this. Main targets of the decapitation strikes were the aerospace forces and head of the IRGC, to serve this purpose, preventing the initial counterstrike by Iran.

The only piece of footage that Simplicius has seen of Israel hitting Iran with aircraft is a video of JDAMs striking Kermanshah, just 100km into the border of Iran, which would have meant Israel penetrated a couple dozen kilometers into Iran to drop them.

There's plenty of footage of JDAMs (24km max range) and SPICE 1000 (100km max range) or SPICE 2000 (60km max range) being dropped on Tehran. Plus footage of what would usually be a strike done by GBU-31 JDAMs with BLU-109 penetrator warheads on bunkers in the mountainsides of Tehran. Drones will not be making such huge explosions, that's just not possible, they don't have the payload or warheads to do that... Plus, the first large craft Iran shot down was a Hermes 9000 (Israeli equivalent to an MQ-9 Reaper) over Isfahan. If Hermes 9000s, which shooting down is the equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel for any surface to air missile system (Yemen has shot down over 20 MQ-9s) are flying over Isfahan, what does that say about Iranian air defence? If they can fly over Isfahan with platforms like that, they can fly over Tehran. I know this is a difficult pill to swallow, but there's so much evidence of this now that it's not worth denying anyone.

SPICE 2000 or GBU-31 JDAM over Tehran on June 16

Airstrikes on bunkers in Tehran

This is not being done by drones:

Iranian long-range air defense has not been degraded at all. Israeli strikes are only evidenced on very old Mim-23 Hawks, short-range Karmin-2s, and the short/medium-range Khordad systems. The Bavar-373, an S-300 equivalent, shows no physical/video evidence of being degraded beyond mere Israeli claims, which are always very suspect.

Khordad series is probably the longest range air defence system outside of S-300 and Bavar-373, and probably the most advanced currently in the Iranian arsenal. The Sayyad-3 missiles on the Khordad 15, which Israel did provide footage of being destroyed, have a stated 200km range. That's not short range. HAWK may be an old system, but Iran have over 200 batteries. As for Bavar-373, I think it's capabilities have been exaggerated (there's no way it's better than an S-400) and it may just be a unicorn system if Iran only has a couple of operational batteries. If only one or two are actually operational, they're not going to be making a difference on the battlefield, and have likely been relocated to the far east to avoid destruction, further than Isfahan, if they haven't already been targeted. The main use I've seen for the system is allowing use of components of the S-300 system that were not destroyed by previous Israeli airstrikes, like the missiles and battle management radars. If Bavar 373 was as good as Iran claims, why have they put so much effort into integrating the surviving S-300 components? The backbone of Iranian long range air defence are the S-200 systems, they have enough of those operational to actually make a difference. But I doubt that modern fighter jets are very vulnerable to hit, only 1 Israeli aircraft was shot down by S-200 in it's history of service in Syria. Keeps rearward assets like mid air refueling aircraft and AWACS at bay though.

The US also could not safely fly over Yemeni territory, with F-35s launching stand-off strikes before they reached the border.

This is not true, F-35 were armed with stand in weapons like JDAMs over Yemen, and even suspected of being armed with Hellfire missiles. Most of the stand off strikes were carried out by the F/A-18s. Aircraft were audible on video over Sana'a multiple times. There's quite a difference between ambushing an aircraft and taking shots at it that it has to evade, and actually denying the airspace. Iranian airspace is still not safe for Israeli rearward assets like mid air refueling aircraft and AWACS, just like how Syria's wasn't during Assad. Which is why everytime Israel attacked Iran beforehand, they had to suppress Syrian air defence.

And obviously it's a regime change operation, it's called Operation Rising Lion. Anyone familiar with Persian history will immediately get the reference to the sun and lion, part of Iran's flag until the Islamic Revolution.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Simplicius is now only more sure than ever that Israel expected the decapitation strikes to cause an immediate collapse, and when that did not happen, Israel was forced to go to Trump and get the US involved because Israel cannot handle a war of attrition with Iran (running out of interceptors to protect critical infrastructure)

This is what has me absolutely convinced that the US is going to get involved. No way it gives up its staging area in the Middle East without a fight.

Really hoping this turns out to be America's Suez Crisis though

[–] jack@hexbear.net 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The problem is that you're thinking strategically about what's best for the continuity of the empire, which is not how its current leadership makes decisions. Trump cares far more about his personal reputation and popularity than building a 1000 year American Reich. If he thinks too many people will be mad at him, he'll block open US engagement. And starting a war really does depend on the president's approval and initiative.

Not saying he definitely won't do it, because he's obviously also a psychopath who loves to kill, but he's mercurial and idiosyncratic.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 20 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Who's Simplicius? First time I've seen them here

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 28 points 4 hours ago

He's a military commentator with a pretty popular substack. Pro-Russia (but willing to throw criticism at them) and pro-Resistance.

He mostly focusses on the Ukraine War, but sometimes writes pieces on other conflicts, especially when things heat up. His military analysis has been pretty accurate over the course of the conflicts, though his political analysis isn't very good.

[–] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 21 points 4 hours ago

i remember them writing a bunch of stuff about the ukraine war, theyve been around for a while, i recall them having typical right wing brainworms

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 45 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Hmmm, this seems very reminiscent of the start of the Ukraine war -- big doomerism from people afraid that the country might collapse due to Western pressure, and then it just... doesn't.

False claims of air dominance from the West, some "embarassments", deaths of high ranking officials (Generals in Russia's case), Western hopes to balkanize the country, and finally a slow, attritional approach to avoid giving the West casus belli to jump in with their own forces.

[–] Pili@hexbear.net 36 points 5 hours ago

Thank you for the hoperism doggirl-kiss

[–] OttoboyEmpire@hexbear.net 26 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

huh. i actually never doomered, not even once, so none of this is a surprise to me.

but had i doomered and assumed that america could be an indefinite arsenal of genocide, is that just wrong? does the US not have the interceptors? (are/were these interceptors used by Ukraine? did the Americans help Ukraine too much?)

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 13 points 3 hours ago

Spread insanely thin and most of the stock that's easy to transport around like the naval-based SM-3 and THAAD are very expensive and slow to resupply.

Patriots are around but they're being decommissioned by the IOF in place of newer systems with dedicated ABM abilities. Marco Rubio claimed they dont have spare systems due to donating so many to Ukraine.

[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 28 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

They have a lot of interceptors but they're mostly for defending the whole world empire against all of its enemies so it'll be harder and harder to justify dipping into those stocks for the sake of bailing out shitrael, especially with the US military's 2027 war plans for China.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 15 points 3 hours ago

Patriots are already obsolete for a war with China. If Israel is donating theirs to Ukraine because they can't intercept anything more than soviet era aircraft, the US forces around Taiwan are going to be utterly embarrassed by Dongfengs.