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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[โ€“] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

No he isn't. He explains why a petty-bourgeois opposition arose in the paragraph you have quoted without giving any judgement of it.

You people have no interest of actually studying. I quote it here because HSC is assumed to be read. But here you go, since you need me to babybird you

The questions as to whether it is possible to reform the basis of imperialism, whether to go forward to the further intensification and deepening of the antagonisms which it engenders, or backward, towards allaying these antagonisms, are fundamental questions in the critique of imperialism. Since the specific political features of imperialism are reaction everywhere and increased national oppression due to the oppression of the financial oligarchy and the elimination of free competition, a petty-bourgeois-democratic opposition to imperialism arose at the beginning of the twentieth century in nearly all imperialist countries. Kautsky not only did not trouble to oppose, was not only unable to oppose this petty-bourgeois reformist opposition, which is really reactionary in its economic basis, but became merged with it in practice, and this is precisely where Kautsky and the broad international Kautskian trend deserted Marxism.

The quote you have posted says that challenging imperialism without challenging the trusts and monopolies is a "pious wish", a far cry from the statement that one would somehow be recreating capitalism in countries that didn't even stop being capitalist!

calm down self fashioned preacher. this is exactly what I mean when the kautskyite position is the flip side to your antiimperialist position. you recognize that you are simply supporting camps, likewise the liberal supports the opposite camp and yearns for peace, meanwhile you yearn for the return to the premonopoly capital time, the "multipolar world"

We are to believe that the collapse of the American wouldn't be the single greatest opportunity to advance the positions of the international working in the past 3 decades. Why? Because if we said that then we would be accused of adopting petty-bourgeois viewpoints (never mind that regime change is significantly more popular amongst the bourgeoise)

believe what you want, your belief has no bearing on the material conditions same with your "critical" support. the revolution will come when sufficient number of workers gain consciousness - and not "consciousness" as in sitting watching the news and hoping for their bourgeoisie to beat the other bourgeoisie. the critical piece is for them is to know which "marxism" is really materialist and which is idealist bullshit that proclaims the collaboration between the national bourgeoisie as the end-all-be-all with the same petty nationalism.

you can disengage until you read (and I mean, really read) this piece https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/jul/26.htm since hsc is too much for a communist to read nowadays ig

[โ€“] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 6 points 6 hours ago

you can disengage

Sure, why not. You aren't arguing in good faith to begin with and making bizzare leaps of logic to accuse me of shit I didn't say.