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Neo-Nazis Gloat as Florida Becomes a Magnet for Hate
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Please stop trying to rationalize with them. Please stop tolerating their hate. These people don't care about logic or morality. The guy in the photo at the Nazi rally with the tatted face and meth teeth blames his problems on Jews. They only understand power. That's all they know. That's the only way they'll be stopped.
With that said, can some of y'all come down here to Florida? We've got a Nazi problem that's getting out of control and can use some support. They've been here this whole time in hiding, but since the government has recently been tolerant of their intolerance, they're coming out in pride. They're cowards that blame their own issues on vulnerable people. They don't blame their problems on dominant peoples or cultures in power, just the minorities. So, with enough show of strength, they'll go back into hiding or move away to Argentina.
Look at their little insurrection attempt. One Capitol officer misled them due to their lack of organization, and another officer fired one round. All it took was a distraction to jack up their plans and one shot for them to tuck tail and run. A coup failed due to a deception and one bullet.
Imagine if the real Nazis would have been stopped before they built their war machine. That's where we're at right now. Things can get soooo much worse if we allow them time to gain more power.
I don't mean to be negative but what can other people do? I feel like it'll be difficult to motivate the average non-racist to move to a place where they might have worse job prospects, get ostracized for their political/social views, and get both harassed and potentially arrested/killed by the police for trying to protest against racism.
For real Florida already sucks even without Nazis or DeTaintis. Hell no I will not move there.
What's the implication here? Mass-shooting of right-wing extremists that martyr them and give fuel to further restrict and punish sane people?
Talk is cheap. The real-world implications of mass-murder are not as easy as one would like to imagine.
What do you think is more likely, that the powers that be go "Oh, they were nazis, that's fine then" or "Look, the left are the violent ones, we need to take away the rights of anyone who associates with them!"?
While I would otherwise probably reiterate that it's pretty easy to type in words on a keyboard compared to actually having to go through with actual actions, I see the real world and how it functions might not be interesting enough for you so I'll pass. Have a nice day.
This is a somewhat disingenuous take on history as a whole. History is a lot less chaotic than one might expect. A lot of the common conception is a little like how the news focuses on crimes and violence. Like people honestly don't realize how much the average European peasantry of the 1200's could actually read or write... Not because they were spending their time penning novels but because of how litigious they were. Cities often created weird exceptions but even in the height of people being executed for minor crimes that violence was more or less concentrated to major cities particularly population centers that hosted the ruling class and those laws were mostly enforced on their dime because of a desire for orderliness in their own backyard.
While there are some advancements in development of ethical principles of law, rights of people to be recognized by the ruling elite, lots of healthcare and quality of life advancements particularly in food supply and sanitation ... But as far as your average human goes adjusted for Governmental sanctioned violence and suppression of women we are about as individually as violent as we ever were. Some of the medieval violence even seems weirdly quaint by comparison. Particularly some of the anecdotes from the more successful uprisings of the peasant classes from way back. The Victorians were actually quite successful in red washing a lot of history to make it seem much more brutal and horrible than it was... While ignoring their own fairly callous expansions of empire.
Applying this desire to kill or be killed as a inviolable part of human nature isn't supportable. In general the majority of people will put up with quite a lot trying to remain safe and non-violent until it becomes clear that things are getting worse beyond fixing and they reach a more universal concensus that they have a potential future beyond a period of violence.
Basically the sanction of violence being the domain of government agents only is your main hurdle. You'd be much more likely to find support in fining their asses into oblivion so they have no free time to march.
Hitler failed his coup attempt too. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/beer-hall-putsch-munich-putsch Scary similarities.
The new Hitler is among them, and we should stop him before it's too late
I used to love Florida, but it's doomed. Between climate change and fascism we just need to write off the state entirely and build a wall along the Georgia border. Best we can do is try to control the insanity and let those who have decided to stay down there burn themselves out. Better for you to get out than for us to come down.
Is it your opinion that Georgia is less racist than Florida?
The general populace? No. The state government? Yes.
Still a very bold claim. Voter disenfranchisement along racial lines is huge on GA, and that's the tip of the iceberg.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/18/fact-check-partly-false-claim-gov-brian-kemp-and-2018-election/6327447002/
Sorry to say but I've made it clear to even my employer that Florida is a no go for me. To the point where I will seek out flights that do not have layovers there if it comes to that. Being trans and having the use of bathrooms outlawed forces my hand. A ton of industry conferences are leaving the state as soon as their contracts are up.