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In the recent Iran–Israel ceasefire situation, both sides publicly declared agreement on a truce. Hours later, Israel claimed Iran had launched missiles, violating the deal. Iran, in turn, denied any such launch ever took place.

What strikes me is how dramatically their statements diverge — and yet neither has offered any solid proof. No satellite imagery, no intercepted communications, no verified video footage. This makes me wonder: when the technical means to confirm or disprove such claims exist (e.g. radar logs, satellite evidence), why would either side risk an outright lie that could be exposed?

Who’s lying — and more importantly, why? Is the goal simply to shape narrative momentum before facts can catch up? Are these statements made for internal audiences rather than international credibility?

I’m curious how others interpret such deliberate ambiguity. Can both sides be bluffing, or are we missing crucial pieces from third-party observers?

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[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (8 children)

One side consistently blatantly lies. This isn't particle physics. One doesn't need to over think it.

Like if one's partner has cheated on then 40 times, it's a Saturday and they're not picking up their phone. You need to look at the whole history of the person (or country) when finding an answer.

[–] ewls21@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (7 children)

How can someone lie so consistently? Lying is usually a tool for achieving short-term goals — a means to an end. But when a person or a side lies shamelessly, and their lies are so transparent that anyone can see through them with minimal effort, it raises a deeper question: what purpose does it serve to lie so openly, so repeatedly? Or is it a sign that truth no longer matters in the game they're playing?

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Or is it a sign that truth no longer matters in the game they're playing?

Probably that one. The West has settled on the position that Iran is evil and must be destroyed, so when a Trusted Source (our friendly and reliable ally Israel) says they did a Perfidious Thing, the press will happily pick it up and run it uncritically and the public will believe it without seeking further verification, and then the destruction can continue

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