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NYT with a front-page article taking the most absurd of today's Twitter screenshots seriously (archive.is)

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“I feel like last night’s NYC election result is like a spiritual Kristallnacht. It proved Jew hatred is now OK,” posted Jill Kargman, a Jewish writer and actress.

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“The Jewish community has seen time and again how violent rhetoric has transformed into actual violence, so for us it’s just deeply unsettling to have a mayoral candidate who condones and uses that language,” said Rabbi Diana Fersko, senior rabbi at the Village Temple, a Reform congregation in Manhattan, and the author of a book on antisemitism. “My hope is that if Mamdani is elected, he will become more sensitive and more aware of the needs of a significant part of the population that he is going to be leading.”

Is there anyone who's written a book on antisemitism who knows what antisemitism is?

I expect Mamdani is significantly more likely than his critics to have condemned the largest mass arrest of Jews since the Holocaust, something that actually made New York Jews unsafe. But his critics also have to bootlick the NYPD:

“It’s not that they expect to be run out, or they expect that the N.Y.P.D. won’t be there to protect them,” said Deborah E. Lipstadt, who was the Biden administration’s special envoy to monitor and combat antisemitism. “It’s just another hit in the jaw, that these very deep-seated concerns could have been so easily brushed off by so many people.”

Sounds like a subtle way to say "the pigs should threaten the mayor's family again he doesn't comply with Porky's wishes" to me.

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 21 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Would it be wrong of me to see this all as like "jewish supremacy"? I really don't know what other label to put on these zionists who throw an absolute fit the SECOND the people they put down gain some equal footing and threaten to upend the status quo.

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It's the same playbook as Hindu nationalists attacking Sanskrit scholars for being "anti-Hindu" or Christians calling the end of mandatory school prayer a persecution equivalent to Diocletian's. Just because Lipstadt has gone after actual Holocaust deniers doesn't mean she's not horrible. In fact, as Norman Finkelstein has argued (in The Holocaust Industry, she's actually to blame for amplifying them:

Denying the Holocaust is an updated version of the “new anti-Semitism” tracts. To document widespread Holocaust denial, Lipstadt cites a handful of crank publications. Her pièce de résistance is Arthur Butz, a nonentity who teaches electrical engineering at Northwestern University and who published his book The Hoax of the Twentieth Century with an obscure press. Lipstadt entitles the chapter on him “Entering the Mainstream.” Were it not for the likes of Lipstadt, no one would ever have heard of Arthur Butz.

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To question a survivor’s testimony, to denounce the role of Jewish collaborators, to suggest that Germans suffered during the bombing of Dresden or that any state except Germany committed crimes in World War II – this is all evidence, according to Lipstadt, of Holocaust denial. And to suggest that [Elie] Wiesel has profited from the Holocaust industry, or even to question him, amounts to Holocaust denial.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

that any state except Germany committed crimes in World War II - this is all evidence, according to Lipstat, of Holocaust denial.

Am I reading this right? If you point out Romania, France, Poland, Austria, and so on participated in/contributed to the Holocaust, Lipstat says that's Holocaust denial? That Germany and only Germany with help from no one else carried it out? Just....what?

The Holocaust wasn't even the only genocide in WW2. The Japanese and Italians made sure of that. Not to mention other crimes like the ones done to minorities in the US (residential schools, segregation, Japanese internment, etc.) or British famines in India.

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago

For this Finkelstein cites Lipstadt's Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory (1993), pages 6, 12, 22, 89–90. Let's see . . .

It looks like this part is mostly from 89-90, where she discusses Austin J. App, an American professor who "formulated eight axioms . . . as the basic postulates of Holocaust denial." Unless the pagination on the copy I found is different from Finkelstein's, this must be one passage he's referring to:

App had to turn the Allies and the Nazis into traditional adversaries embroiled in the horrors of war. Reducing the numbers and deleting this unique technological means from the equation were thus a sine qua non for deniers -- one of the reasonable facades behind which they hide: War is an unmitigated evil, all sides are equally responsible, and there is no moral distinction between combatants.

Despite her distrust here and elsewhere in the book of anyone who mentions the internment of Japanese-Americans, elsewhere in the book she also briefly discusses the way Holocaust denial has led American cranks to claim that those internment camps were a hoax.

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