Content jacking and top posting other people's content is really bad for Lemmy. It's also just being a dick to other people making content on the platform.

feed is spammy
divides conversation
chills engagement
makes Lemmy less friendly to posters

This pattern is very common on lemmy, and needs to stop.

This is often used to attack or force migrate conversations from a instance someone doesn't like to another instance they do like. It's offensive by its very nature.

If you want to make a better community, great, do it but not at the expense of other Lemmy posters.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Maybe it would be interesting to see a poster score based on how many of their posts they don't engage with once someone makes a comment.

I thought about that as well. It's a bit tricky to pull it off. But ultimately I think the entire voting system on Lemmy and hence the way it sorts posts is a bit suboptimal. People upvote memes, the ragebait of the day, simple truths. Content that I find interesting or an interesting and long opinions regularly end up with 0-3 upvotes and float to the bottom. So I mainly discard what kind of scores this place has and sort by "new" anyway. It'd be really great if I had some score available to tell me if some content is what I like to read.

I wish people only posted things they wanted to talk about. That would mean the entire feed are possible conversations to have.

A hundred percent that.

I'm pretty sure we're the minority here. Most people seem to like it the other way around. (Need..more..posts in everyone's timeline.) I'm pretty sure it's also a big part of the equation of why Lemmy always stagnates and we're stuck at 45k users. We've been doing it the "re-post" way a long time now, and we can see the results of that. We shove around content because of some reasons, but we should come up with original and genuine content instead. I think what we need is foster a nice atmosphere. Genuine human conversation underneath posts with above average quality. That'd grow Lemmy and make it a better place. (And instead we dump more posts/noise, and we can see where we're headed with that.)

[–] Elevator7009sAlt@ani.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am insanely guilty of the content dump, figuring it'll prove a community active, but aside from "awww!" comments on !bunnies@lemmy.world where there just is not much to build off of, I also reply to almost every comment I get because I also want to have conversations.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think that's fine. At least from the "dump" perspective, because you're not just dumping something but tend to what you post. And you're part of the conversation so you add something of substance there.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think what we need is foster a nice atmosphere. Genuine human conversation underneath posts with above average quality. That’d grow Lemmy and make it a better place. (And instead we dump more posts/noise, and we can see where we’re headed with that.)

Beehaw wanted to have this kind of very curated approach, their communities aren't much more active that on non-curated instances.

If you want very in-depth conversation, maybe try to revive !actual_discussion@lemmy.ca ? It seems to fit your requirements.

You talk about original content, it is not contradictory to have both OC and reposts from elsewhere. A thing to keep in mind is that people posting OC will only do so if they get enough reactions on it. !lemmy_stitch@sh.itjust.works used to be quite busy when it first started, but the main mod who used to post a lot hasn't been active for a year, probably because there weren't enough people here to justify posting here on top of Reddit.

People upvote memes, the ragebait of the day, simple truths.

It depends. I post about things I care about. My latest post was about a new movie coming, there were 68 comments: https://piefed.zip/post/153138 , and it was a legit conversation, even though it was a repost from a new movie poster. Reposting existing content isn't contradictory with having genuine conversations.

I’m pretty sure we’re the minority here. Most people seem to like it the other way around. (Need…more…posts in everyone’s timeline.) I’m pretty sure it’s also a big part of the equation of why Lemmy always stagnates and we’re stuck at 45k users. We’ve been doing it the “re-post” way a long time now, and we can see the results of that. We shove around content because of some reasons, but we should come up with original and genuine content instead.

It's a multi factor issue.
To have genuine conversations on a certain topic, there need to be at least a minimum userbase interested in that topic.
With 45k MAU, we can talk about generic topics. The more userbase we get, the more niche topics we can have.

When I talk about Lemmy on Reddit to try to get those additional users we need, the first issues they have with the platform is the political stances of the devs, and the fact that a lot of communities are still hosted on the hosted instance (you've read cm0002 comment, so you're aware).

Lemmy has a bad reputation due to this, and while this will remain true, this will prevent us from getting more people. That's also why Piefed raises a lot of hopes.

Last potential example of growth: a niche community moving.

Db0 had a large influx of users (625) following a post on Reddit about their instance: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37167077

!piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com is mostly reposts with news about piracy, not a lot of OC content, but it being out of Reddit is enough for people to use it.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

reply here

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 6 days ago

Preach!

What makes hackernews, metafilter, lobsters great is the community and not the posts.