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[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

Wait why are democrats fighting him? I thought he was socialist or something

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 146 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Democrats aren't fighting him, the DNC (Democratic National Convention) is. The party doesn't want him as their representative, because he doesn't match their values. But he represents what the Democrat constituents actually want and the DNC fears losing control over their constituents, so they want to ensure he loses the race.

The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it. The US doesn't actually have a left-wing party. Both our major parties are right-wing by global standards. So any truly left-wing candidates scare them, and they'll fight tooth and nail to keep them out of elections.

Even Cuomo, who was completely stomped in the primaries, is still planning to run in the election as an independent. Their hope is that his run will split the party and make Mamdani lose. If the Democratic Party can't get their man in the election, then they'll throw the race and take everyone down with them.

[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 86 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it.

The old RNC. The new Republicans have taken over and actually do want all the fascist hateful stuff. The old guard courted crazies and those crazies took over.

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

True. The more right the DNC leans, the more extremist right the RNC leans, to differentiates themselves from Democrats.

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Which, fuckin' honestly, should be an object lesson for anyone who wants to advance progressive politics in this country. Engage in primary after primary and take over the party from within until the old guard are appalled at what it has become, except do that with good goals instead of horrifying ones.

And remember that by the time the election itself is at hand, it's too late to make meaningful change in the party platform. The primaries are what actually matter when it comes to changing course. Everything after that, it's just a binary choice between which of the major candidates you actually want in power.

[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

I mean the difference is that the old RNC deliberately invited the vampire inside, thinking they could control them. They were supposed to be useful idiots to get extra votes. They were wrong and lost control.

The DNC recognizes that if they ever actually gave the people power they'd never get it back. So they're much more diligent about denying any possible progressive advancement, up to and including damaging their own party to do so.

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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's actually the exact reason democrats are fighting him.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)
[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Despite what Fox News may tell you, the Democrats (well, the DNC leadership in particular) aren’t “left.”

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

They are when they are being called radical.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And he's probably not even particularly left.

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[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's why they're fighting him. Money go brr and money is scared.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What I'm gathering is that he's popular with the people but not the people with money lol

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Grail@aussie.zone 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

He's popular with the voters. He's going to stomp New York, and then he'll start looking at the presidency. And he might win that, too. And then they'd have to pass bills, and their donors would be mad.

They'd rather run bad candidates and lose.

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He's not eligible to run for president because he was born in Uganda.

[–] Grail@aussie.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Damn, I forgot the constitution was racist

[–] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

Fortunately the constitution doesn't matter anymore. Run him anyway!

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's not actually a racist policy. People born in the US, regardless of race, can run for president. People born outside of the US, regardless of race, cannot. Xenophobic, maybe? But not racist. Arnold Swarzenegger can't run for president either. Neither can Elon Musk.

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[–] leaf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mamdani would mop the floor with Trump.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

I was about to say that Trump has already been elected twice, and then I remembered that that's not going to stop him.

[–] crumbguzzler5000@feddit.org 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly if you put the DNC in other countries they wouldn't be considered left.

Even the UK who's current "left" PM is actually extremely centre, but compare the DNC to him they would still be more right than him.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

In any other country they'd be the conservative party.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He said billionaires shouldn't exist. If billionaires didn't exist who would fund their campaigns running on platforms that allow billionaires to hoard wealth unimpeded?

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah but like... Fuck billionaires. A billion dollars is 50,000/yr for 20,000 years.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (40 children)

Now do you believe people when they say they have a 2 party system with Republicans vs ~~Democrats~~ other republicans?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mamdani is a Democrat, you're calling Mamdani controlled opposition.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mamdani is a Democrat

Tell that to the DNC

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