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[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (8 children)

You wouldn’t know it given the reactions on this site. And I’m just happy we agree on “undue”. This is verbatim how people were doing AOC on r/cth however many years ago

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 7 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Personally, I'm mostly excited about a potential new wave of radicalized liberals after a likely ratfuck by Democrats (like they did to India Walton, when they worked with Republicans during the Buffalo general election). This would further damage the reputation of an already highly unpopular Democratic Party among young people. I've already seen a few of them being ready to give up on the Dems, as they see Zohran as some sort of last attempt at trying to "convince" the party to move left.

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve been looking at this race that way as well. Although my more pessimistic side thinks it’s starting to feel like the cycle in America is:

“new age cohort enters the electorate —> tried electoralism, gets fucked over —> a certain percent radicalise, a certain percent give up on politics, a certain percent surrender to the status quo —> a new age cohort enters the electorate”

Obama 2008, Sanders 2016, (potentially) Mamdani 2025… are these moments of disillusion radicalising more and more of a percentage of the whole population against electoralism? Or is it just a succession of new generations learning the same lesson over and over again?

Call me old fashioned but it’s probably deteriorating material conditions that are going to radicalise more people in the long run.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 2 points 4 hours ago

Call me old fashioned but it’s probably deteriorating material conditions that are going to radicalise more people in the long run.

Definitely true, however you're going to want a portion of the population "pre-heated" by these electoral defeats so they can do some vanguardism when the time is right. This is true even if it is stagnant and cyclical, like you propose. I don't think I fully agree myself, but I could see it.

The true revolutionary action will happen at the periphery of the empire. If some Demsocs create internal strife and discontentment in the core, it allows for more opportunities for our comrades on the ground in the more materially impoverished areas to make some moves.

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