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You know what the word “mandatory” means, right? In this one comment you say you’re for mandatory vaccines in exactly the scenario that the convoy morons were whining about but also go off about bodily autonomy. Yes, education is important but also we have regulations and laws because unfortunately we don’t live in a fairy land where everyone behaves themselves and considers the well-being of their fellow person.
It doesn’t cut both ways equally, not by a long shot.
I somewhat agree. But how do you make laws for forcing people to get vaccines, yet let them choose to have abortions, or refuse medical care, or eat garbage food, drink alcohol etc, for example?
Like, how would you define that on a societal level, and also have exceptions for situations the law doesnt account for?
These things dont exactly equate, but I can see why being forced by the government to get a vaccines irks some people. I think it all stems from them thinking that vaccines harm you, or cause autism or whatever. That and that we haven't had a truly deadly pandemic or disease going around in living memory (thanks again to science and our predecessors getting vaccinated) that would cause people to prefer the vaccine over say polio. People are losing fath in institutions and we are not educating our children with critical thinking enough.
The only one in there you listed that doesn't affect only the person making the decision is vaccines. The classic quote is something like "Your freedom to swing your fist ends at someone's face."
Its not as absolute as it sounds. While vaccines do have externalities (eg: protection of others via herd immunity), so do the others I mentioned:
Refusing medical care can increase long-term public healthcare costs, especially in countries with socialized medicine, luke Canada
Eating garbage food or drinking excessively leads to chronic disease burdens (obesity, diabetes, liver disease), again impacting public systems and reducing workforce productivity. You could argue that this is mitigate through alcohol tax.
Abortion is more complicated, but opponents would argue there's another life at stake, so from their moral framework, it's not purely personal either.
The "freedom ends at someone else's face" is useful but oversimplified. The real challenge is defining when individual choices cross the line into collective consequences, and which ones merit state intervention. Vaccines are one of the clearest examples, yes, but they're not the only ones with spillover effects.
So my point is how do you define that line, legally? I think it needs to remain pragmatic. Societies change faster than laws do.
This is another issue I'm surprised we're still even debating.
You're stretching so much.
You know what else cost a lot to society? Old people. So let's kill them all right?
There's a difference between "this is expensive" and "this will actively kill people".
We've banned smoking indoors because it affects other people, and, for a time, we banned unvaccinated people indoors for the same reason.
The line is super clear: will this directly affect others.