HilariousChaos.com is a instance started 2 years ago. 250 registered users, with 25 monthly active users.
Admins
team :
- @alice@hilariouschaos.com
- @splinter@hilariouschaos.com
admin action modlog :
- https://hilariouschaos.com/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&modId=4
- https://hilariouschaos.com/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&modId=2
You may not transmit any Content that is unlawful, offensive, upsetting, intended to disgust, threatening, libelous, defamatory, obscene or otherwise objectionable. Examples of such objectionable Content include, but are not limited to, the following:
- Unlawful or promoting unlawful activity.
- Defamatory, discriminatory, or mean-spirited content, including references or commentary about religion, race, sexual orientation, gender, national/ethnic origin, or other targeted groups.
- Spam, machine – or randomly – generated, constituting unauthorized or unsolicited advertising, chain letters, any other form of unauthorized solicitation, or any form of lottery or gambling. ....
- Violating the privacy of any third person.
Censured by 7 instances
https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/hilariouschaos.com
2 of the censures are n/a, 4 of the evidence sections are n/a, 1 censure is from a offline instance (dubvee).
Blocked by 13 instances
Checked with lemmy-federate.com
- discuss.online
- feddit.org
- fedia.io
- hexbear.net
- lemmy.blahaj.zone
- lemmy.ca
- lemmy.nz
- programming.dev
- quokk.au
- sh.itjust.works
- sopuli.xyz
- startrek.website
- lemmy.dbzer0.com
personal disagreements with a instance admin
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone (one of the censure issuers) points out they have a beef with one of the instance admins https://piefed.blahaj.zone/comment/895309
A single user behaving badly shouldn't be enough for a mass defederation, it should be a user ban/block not a instance censure.
If the admin team is not enforcing their COC, not policing their users when they go into the fediverse (like hexbear), not responsive to escalations - that would be a good reason for censures or defederation
Why bring this up now
Someone made a YPTB post, and people were using the censures as a reason the mod behavior was justified, so I started to dig into it and I haven't seen the evidence for the censures and hate.
https://lemmy.world/post/34135214
Can someone show me content on hilariouschaos itself that makes them bad fediverse neighbors?
The censures on fediseer point to what they might do, or behavior on a different lemmy instance - since the instance has been up 2 years its reasonable to expect bad behavior to be observable on hilariouschaos.com itself now. Blank censures are not reasonable. It looks like vibe based censures
I personally think if a group keeps their crazy into !crazythoughts@instance and then goes out into the fediverse acting as good citizens and respecting posted community rules… then thats fine, they are good fediverse neighbors. Hexbear is a example of a bad neighbor, they go out into the fediverse and antagonize others in their home communities.
The published code of conduct looks reasonable, and speaks to points they have been censured for. The admin mod log shows they are actively policing their instance.
- Can we update the censures to point to bad neighbor activity from hilariouschaos.com itself - the instance has been up 2 years.
- If we can't do 1, can we remove censures that are not relevant in the past 2 years of demonstrated fediverse behavior?
When that "single user" is an admin of the instance, it tells you a lot about the instance culture, and the types of things they will action from their user base.
When the admin is actively posting transphobic content, it tells me that not only will they not moderate others who post transphpobia, but also that the instance will actively attract transphobic folk.
The thing about the fediverse is that people have options. Our instance defederates instances that fail to act on bigotry, or encourage it. So people who join this instance, do so, precisely because that's what they're looking for in a fediverse instance.
Folk who don't want that, who want to fight with bigots, or who are willing to play whack a mole and block them one by one as they pop up will join instances that don't defederate.
That's how it's meant to work.
If we did it your way, and everyone was forced to federate with everyone else, and every user had to block the bigots one by one, reactively, after stumbling across them, we would lose a large chunk of users. That might be what you want, but it's not what everyone wants. And when you take away options, and try and tell people they have to do it your way, they will simply go elsewhere.
This comment feels like its in bad faith. Earlier, you described their admin as "a single user behaving badly", and you've been provided with links to their transphobic content by several people now. Even if you don't personally see anything wrong with what the user said, it seems unlikely that you don't understand how or why other people might take issue with their anti trans commentary.
I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. As far as I can tell, every single user on HC is just Alice using an alt, or at least enough that I consider them to be.
Yup! Good point
That isn't what I'm asking for, I'm asking for the censure to be updated with evidence from the instance itself.
Not bad faith, so far you have simply attested a deduction about the admin. I don't trust you, because you have said the same thing about me. Now that you have other people supplying links to items conflicting with your community guidelines I accept it. I would ask you update your censure to point to the evidence directly.
I haven't updated anything in fediseer for probably close to a year. And if you look at the size of our censure list, I'm unlikely to be adding verifiable evidence for all of those sites, if for no other reason than I don't want to visit most of them.
Yet whatever my reasons, the fact I've posted it without evidence is something you should use when deciding how much trust to place in my censure, though I think the real trigger should be the number of censures.
That should be what gets you to look at the instance and decide for yourself whether you agree with the censures. If you can't find evidence to confirm them, or if you don't agree with them, you don't take any action.
And to be honest, I don't even know what you said. The posts were made 2 years ago, are now permanently deleted, and were removed by a moderator on an instance that doesn't exist anymore. I'll remove the ban