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HilariousChaos.com is a instance started 2 years ago. 250 registered users, with 25 monthly active users.

Adminsteam :

  • @alice@hilariouschaos.com
  • @splinter@hilariouschaos.com

admin action modlog :

Published Code of Conduct:TOS which they post under their legal section

You may not transmit any Content that is unlawful, offensive, upsetting, intended to disgust, threatening, libelous, defamatory, obscene or otherwise objectionable. Examples of such objectionable Content include, but are not limited to, the following:

  • Unlawful or promoting unlawful activity.
  • Defamatory, discriminatory, or mean-spirited content, including references or commentary about religion, race, sexual orientation, gender, national/ethnic origin, or other targeted groups.
  • Spam, machine – or randomly – generated, constituting unauthorized or unsolicited advertising, chain letters, any other form of unauthorized solicitation, or any form of lottery or gambling. ....
  • Violating the privacy of any third person.

Censured by 7 instances

https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/hilariouschaos.com

2 of the censures are n/a, 4 of the evidence sections are n/a, 1 censure is from a offline instance (dubvee).

Blocked by 13 instances

Checked with lemmy-federate.com

  • discuss.online
  • feddit.org
  • fedia.io
  • hexbear.net
  • lemmy.blahaj.zone
  • lemmy.ca
  • lemmy.nz
  • programming.dev
  • quokk.au
  • sh.itjust.works
  • sopuli.xyz
  • startrek.website
  • lemmy.dbzer0.com

personal disagreements with a instance admin

@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone (one of the censure issuers) points out they have a beef with one of the instance admins https://piefed.blahaj.zone/comment/895309

A single user behaving badly shouldn't be enough for a mass defederation, it should be a user ban/block not a instance censure.

If the admin team is not enforcing their COC, not policing their users when they go into the fediverse (like hexbear), not responsive to escalations - that would be a good reason for censures or defederation

Why bring this up now

Someone made a YPTB post, and people were using the censures as a reason the mod behavior was justified, so I started to dig into it and I haven't seen the evidence for the censures and hate.

https://lemmy.world/post/34135214

Can someone show me content on hilariouschaos itself that makes them bad fediverse neighbors?

The censures on fediseer point to what they might do, or behavior on a different lemmy instance - since the instance has been up 2 years its reasonable to expect bad behavior to be observable on hilariouschaos.com itself now. Blank censures are not reasonable. It looks like vibe based censures

I personally think if a group keeps their crazy into !crazythoughts@instance and then goes out into the fediverse acting as good citizens and respecting posted community rules… then thats fine, they are good fediverse neighbors. Hexbear is a example of a bad neighbor, they go out into the fediverse and antagonize others in their home communities.

The published code of conduct looks reasonable, and speaks to points they have been censured for. The admin mod log shows they are actively policing their instance.

  1. Can we update the censures to point to bad neighbor activity from hilariouschaos.com itself - the instance has been up 2 years.
  2. If we can't do 1, can we remove censures that are not relevant in the past 2 years of demonstrated fediverse behavior?
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[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A single user behaving badly shouldn't be enough for a mass defederation, it should be a user ban/block not a instance censure.

When that "single user" is an admin of the instance, it tells you a lot about the instance culture, and the types of things they will action from their user base.

When the admin is actively posting transphobic content, it tells me that not only will they not moderate others who post transphpobia, but also that the instance will actively attract transphobic folk.

The thing about the fediverse is that people have options. Our instance defederates instances that fail to act on bigotry, or encourage it. So people who join this instance, do so, precisely because that's what they're looking for in a fediverse instance.

Folk who don't want that, who want to fight with bigots, or who are willing to play whack a mole and block them one by one as they pop up will join instances that don't defederate.

That's how it's meant to work.

If we did it your way, and everyone was forced to federate with everyone else, and every user had to block the bigots one by one, reactively, after stumbling across them, we would lose a large chunk of users. That might be what you want, but it's not what everyone wants. And when you take away options, and try and tell people they have to do it your way, they will simply go elsewhere.

so I started to dig into it and I haven't seen the evidence for the censures and hate.

This comment feels like its in bad faith. Earlier, you described their admin as "a single user behaving badly", and you've been provided with links to their transphobic content by several people now. Even if you don't personally see anything wrong with what the user said, it seems unlikely that you don't understand how or why other people might take issue with their anti trans commentary.

[–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. As far as I can tell, every single user on HC is just Alice using an alt, or at least enough that I consider them to be.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When that “single user” is an admin of the instance, it tells you a lot about the instance culture, and the types of things they will action from their user base.

Yup! Good point

If we did it your way, and everyone was forced to federate with everyone else, and every user had to block the bigots one by one, reactively, after stumbling across them, we would lose a large chunk of users. That might be what you want, but it’s not what everyone wants.

That isn't what I'm asking for, I'm asking for the censure to be updated with evidence from the instance itself.

This comment feels like its in bad faith. Earlier, you described their admin as “a single user behaving badly”, and you’ve been provided with links to their transphobic content by several people now.

Not bad faith, so far you have simply attested a deduction about the admin. I don't trust you, because you have said the same thing about me. Now that you have other people supplying links to items conflicting with your community guidelines I accept it. I would ask you update your censure to point to the evidence directly.

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago

That isn't what I'm asking for, I'm asking for the censure to be updated with evidence from the instance itself.

I haven't updated anything in fediseer for probably close to a year. And if you look at the size of our censure list, I'm unlikely to be adding verifiable evidence for all of those sites, if for no other reason than I don't want to visit most of them.

Yet whatever my reasons, the fact I've posted it without evidence is something you should use when deciding how much trust to place in my censure, though I think the real trigger should be the number of censures.

That should be what gets you to look at the instance and decide for yourself whether you agree with the censures. If you can't find evidence to confirm them, or if you don't agree with them, you don't take any action.

I don't trust you, because you have said the same thing about me

And to be honest, I don't even know what you said. The posts were made 2 years ago, are now permanently deleted, and were removed by a moderator on an instance that doesn't exist anymore. I'll remove the ban

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 16 points 2 weeks ago

Defamatory, discriminatory, or mean-spirited content, including references or commentary about religion, race, sexual orientation, gender, national/ethnic origin, or other targeted groups.

They don't actually enforce this though, just look at this user https://hilariouschaos.com/u/tahira

Nothing but links to trans hate sites, especially far-right hate site Reduxx.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Regardless of what the admin(s) may have done, a ton of their users were coming from Exploding Heads and just trolling. One of the admins didn't see a problem with the problematic users it was getting, so a bunch of instances blocked it.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

AFAIK the entire instance was set up for trolling. I personally blocked it soon after creation.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's been around for 2 years now, so we should see the bad behavior by now, yes?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I dunno, like I say, I don't see it. :)

[–] missingno@fedia.io 12 points 2 weeks ago

Last time I looked at that instance I saw several transphobic and alt-right posts right on their frontpage.

[–] toomanypancakes@piefed.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

They allow Nazi content, I messaged Alice directly about an example once and was ignored. They also allow a lot of transphobic nonsense. Only instance I ever blocked.

Both admins are problematic as are most of their users and mods.

I don’t think it should be defederated but all Lemmy users should block it.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

The reason I care is because the active content creatives on the fediverse are really small, and barriers in the fediverse diminishes all of our voices.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember the user Alice asking a ton of really idiotic questions but I didn’t see anything that would warrant an instance block. I did block that user after several months though

[–] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I've absolutely never seen that from Alice and I've always found her to be friendly, kind and helpful

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

User had to be like 14 but to each their own

She's really not.

[–] Elevator7009sAlt@ani.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Everything I specifically saw from Alice seemed fine, but a lot of the communities on there seemed questionable. Don't remember details, it has been awhile. It's also possible I missed things, I never looked at her profile, just remembering a huge glut of hilariouschaos communities getting advertised on !newcommunities@lemmy.world. I don't remember bad behavior from her but I would not be surprised if it happened.

My perspective is different. The Alice I know is a really considerate, caring person and I've never, ever seen her do anything bad.

[–] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've heard a lot about this but I've never seen this once. I also mod a few comms and I've never had an issue with an HC member. Literally never.

[–] DearMoogle 5 points 2 weeks ago

Don’t mod, but same. I know the instance is often blocked, but not on mine and I haven’t thought much of HC (which is a good thing).

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What makes a good fediverse neighbor?

  • a COC/AUP/TOS/Rules that are acceptable
  • not spreading illegal content
  • not spreading spam
  • responsive admins

Even if a instance has people or communities that are objectionable, as long as the admins keep them honest and following the minimum good neighbor rules when they go off instance, then I would say a instance is a good neighbor

Don't get me wrong, block anyone you want to block, heck even block instances, its the public censures that just seem to be vibes that have my hackles up.

38 instances the DO FEDERATE with hilariouschaos.comincluding

  • lemmy.world
  • feddit.uk
  • lemmy.zip
  • discuss.tchncs.de
  • feddit.nl
  • kbin.earth
  • lemdro.id
  • lemmynsfw.com
  • lemy.lol
  • mander.xyz
  • midwest.social
  • pawb.social

Over the last 2 years, if a instance is a consistent bad neighbor I would expect these very actively admined instances to take action.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Here's a good example of the type of hateful content that is currently allowed on that instance: https://hilariouschaos.com/post/4599583

Reduxx is a Canadian far-right anti-transgender hate website run and founded by Anna Slatz, formerly known as Anna De Luca. Slatz has a long history of far-right activity, support for Scientology, virulent homophobia and racism, and contributions to far-right outlets such as Rebel News and The Post Millennial.

One of their main posters, realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city is a MAGA Trump supporter who used to lurk about on thelemmy.club. See this post for lots more details: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40329206. And now he is back lurking on hilariouschaos, and the admin clearly has no problem with them being there.

I can understand some instances adopting a policy of wanting to allow some political diversity, but should that include MAGA types? I know for a fact dbzer0 users overwhelmingly don't want to be federated to instances that are willing to host bigots, fascists or racists, and would prefer not to see any right wing political content, even if it would add some extra volume.