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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by IronKrill@lemmy.ca to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

This question's on my mind because my coworker today mentioned they would vote for Trump if they could (mind you this is 2023, in Canada). I don't generally have the talking points or the desire to fight about it, so I just deflected the conversation. But I often wish I was more strong-willed and could try to figure out why someone believes what they do and, if it's invalid, then convince them otherwise.

Thus, I'm curious what you all would say or what you've done in the past!

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[-] klemptor@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

I'm sure your sister is a lovely person but how blind can she be after all that has happened? Is she voting for Trump or is she just brainlessly voting republican? And in either case, why? Where's her culpablity?

[-] discusseded@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago

She really is, and the others who want to tar and feather any and all Trump voters could learn something knowing her.

But your hunch is likely correct. Christian fundamentalists do not vote Democrat. Democrats support choice, and in their frame of reference God already chose and we don't get a say. Abortion is a big one, despite there being nothing in the Bible to indicate a solid position on the matter.

Aside from the religious dogma, I doubt she spends any time on the internet or listening to political punditry. With less information to go by, she probably sees the hate as a part of the left's own orthodoxy and something that can be dismissed. As much as the left has going for it, there is some fierce orthodoxy and tone deafness that fuels the right wing's disdain and drives their dismissal of us.

Can you be culpable if you were not aware? I know that doesn't fly in matters of law but I think a person can be forgiven to an extent if they don't know the depths of a matter as well as others.

[-] klemptor@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

I can tell you love and respect your sister, which can sometimes be hard when you're ideologically opposites.

I do think you're excusing her a little too easily. Don't we all have a responsibility to be informed, especially about who we vote for?

[-] discusseded@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago

Ideally, yes. Practically? Not going to happen. We can't expect it, we can only hope that's what people are doing.

This fact is why you hear some people say that not everyone should be allowed to vote. There is a staggering amount of ignorance in our society, that's just how it is.

It's easy to excuse people when you have love in your heart. This may be what's missing in our society.

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