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[–] Haus@kbin.social 139 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Basing your opinions on socialism on how Russia implemented it makes about as much sense as basing an opinion on Democracy on how Putin has implemented it.

[–] sudo22@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Legit question, what country is a better real world example?

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

1936 Catalonia.

But it is actually really hard to name examples. This video explains it quite well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4l_l1MedQ

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[–] sudo22@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Communism, like capitalism, is an extreme that has certain, very difficult to achieve, requirements. Capitalism needs everyone to be morally decent in order for companies to focus on winning customers through innovation instead of propganda and lobbying, and to accept losses instead of whining. Even the transition into communism is incredibly complicated and technically what where the USSR was stuck, and once there you have to hope that the rest of the world went along with it because it’ll work either on increbily small scales(individual companies, for example) or on a global scale but not really on a mid-sized scale. Plus in both you have basic greed and people who are literally just born narcissitic or legitimately psychotic.

Extreme ideologies are great thought experiments but rarely have any kind of well-developed protections built and are pretty fragile.

If you want a better answer, look at the quality of life in countries with stronger regulations and more communism-according-to-North America systems. In the heavily privatised U.S. there are a lot of people who live absolutely shit lives due to an abyssmal lack of protections. Even in Canada, which is far too close to the U.S. here, at least a homeless person can recieve some level of medical assistance including major surgeries and Covid stimulus was more than a cheap joke.

Extreme

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Cuba, Vietnam, Allende's Chile perhaps, but it's not like any are perfect. There's a wide range of socialist approaches used in different countries around the world though.

Moderate socialist governments effectively weren't allowed to exist, the US sponsored fascist coups and did whatever they could to remove them. So the ones that were able to survive had to be more extreme, autocratic, and isolationist.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

If your looking for modern day examples, the zapatistas are a pretty good example.

For historical examples you can look to the Paris commune, civil war Barcelona, the original zapatista movement.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How the USSR implemented socialism was pretty great in practice, the real history of it has just been hidden from you behind the thick fog of cold-war anticommunist propaganda.

Here's a good intro video: Michael Parenti - Reflections on the overthrow of the USSR

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Yellow Parenti is best Parenti

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[–] teft@startrek.website -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone mentions soviets suck and the tankies come out of the woodwork.

“USsR was just misunderstood. Swearsies.”

[–] Catfish@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Learn to have a conversation.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A lot of people don't realize that the Soviet Union was seen as a bastion of democracy before the cold war, because it genuinely got a lot right.

In fact, it was democratic to a fault. Ultimately it was the people who voted to bring capitalism into the country. It was all downhill from there.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

This entire thread is based on this. If comments are truthful.