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There was an article earlier about people smoking crack if they thing Trump is up 10 points.

Well...he's up 10 points. The Democrats need to do something fairly drastic soon if they want to win 24.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah yeah I’ve heard it all before - but by this logic, every dollar you don’t donate to Biden is a dollar donated to Trump. Every hour you don’t spend volunteering for Biden is an hour you volunteer for Trump. There’s no difference. Either you do everything you can to help Biden beat Trump or you are the reason Trump gets elected. This “if you’re not with us you’re with the enemy” cult shit is logically inconsistent and isn’t going to work on me anymore.

Bullshit. What the actual fuck is that response? There's a ton of difference. We don't have FPTP lives, where your only options are "do something that helps Biden" and "do something that helps Trump." FPTP only applies to voting itself. It's fucking bizarre to make the analogies you're making. They don't work at all.

Fuck that. The only people who should be blamed for Trump getting elected are the people who vote for him.

Ideally? Sure. But shit in one hand, put your ideals in the other, see which one fills up faster. Unfortunately - and I really do mean that - our election system is a bunch of antiquated bullshit that guarantees whoever gets a plurality of votes wins, and if you don't want fascists winning, you vote for the non-fascist who can get that plurality. To fix that, push for RC voting at the state level.

I’m a trans woman and an open communist, they’ll probably try to fucking kill me in a “conversion therapy” death camp.

And yet you're voting in a way that helps the ones who want to kill people like you - and people like my trans son. Very little in life is a zero-sum game, but FPTP elections are. In those, anything that isn't a vote for the person who can win empowers the asshole who wants you dead because of who you are.

But you know what? If Democrats win I just get to die slower; do I get to die in nuclear Armageddon because of brinkmanship with China and Russia, or do I die when climate change destroys our habitat, or do I just work for the rest of my life until I die at work? No matter which party wins, as a working class woman my life has no value and no hope. Nothing will fundamentally change.

What Democrats are you looking at?!? Russia's nuclear threats are empty, China doesn't want nuclear war either, and Democrats recently pushed through the largest environmental package ever. They're not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but you're behaving like they're Republican-lite, when they're demonstrably not.

I can no longer be bullied or terrified into voting for my oppressors, just because they happen to be the lesser of two evils.

I'm not trying to bully or terrify you. I just want you to think about my kids, and what kind of world they'll grow up in if guys like Donald fucking Trump cement their grips on power.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

FPTP only applies to voting itself. It’s fucking bizarre to make the analogies you’re making. They don’t work at all.

Yeah, which means donating to election campaigns and volunteering for election campaigns, because those things effect how people vote! You just want to find reasons to feel pride and self satisfaction over doing literally nothing at all.

You have done nothing to protect your children from fascism, but you don't want to think about that. Instead you act like playing voteball matters. Under Biden, my State has been targeting trans children and has legalized child labor. What the fuck did my vote for Biden in 2020 do to stop Republicans? Jack shit!

I’m not trying to bully or terrify you. I just want you to think about my kids, and what kind of world they’ll grow up in if guys like Donald fucking Trump cement their grips on power.

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but under the two party system your children are going to die no matter what. How the fuck can you look at the direction things have been going, regardless of which party is in power, and conclude "everything will be fine if that dang Cheeto doesn't take the Whitehouse!"

We live in a spiraling shithole and we're all going to fucking die if things don't radically change - and that will never happe through elections.

Whatever. Your mind's made up.

For your kid's sake, arm yourself. No matter who wins, things are going to get much worse.