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I am yes to see that on Lemmy in the way you describe /: seems like everyone agrees that killing civilians is wrong, including when Israel does it.
you missed the Marxists from lemmygrad who yesterday kept cheering for Hamas and kept downplaying their savagery
Ah okay, so when you said lemmy, you meant lemmygrad specifically
Marxists and the far-left are also spread all over Lemmy, not just lemmygrad, you could see more pro-terrorist comments from other instances. Their pattern is usually the same: rebrand it as "resistance", downplay the fact that they targeted mainly civilians, and rewrite the facts by claiming for example that the woman was just being transported for burial.
Exactly. I’m a far-leftist, and I’m as disgusted with leftist hot takes the same way I was when poor old defenseless Russia invaded Ukraine and started murdering their children.
I’ve blocked and purged so many leftist creators in 24 hours it is unreal. Spreading legit anti-Semitic (really anti-Jew) conspiracy theories (“curious how nobody stopped it” and the like). Reframing these terrorists as freedom fighters like you said. Blaming this on the U.S. somehow (because we made Iran do this via Hamas as proxy; but Iran has clean hands don’t worry they are just another oppressed peoples).
Far too many leftists, like their right wing nut counterparts, are contrarians at heart. This is what happens when political ideology becomes a personality trait; it becomes akin to a religion.
So thoroughly disgusted by it all. Bad enough what’s happening over there in Israel and Palestine right now; bad enough with all the innocent lives being lost; but then to justify industrial grade rape and murder of men, women, and children? And cheer Palestinians on as they record, edit, and upload their barbarity?
I’d like to believe that a lot of it are disinformation ops, but the sad reality is probably that a fair number of people have nothing left to live for because their lives are shit so the world burning down for others isn’t such a big deal for them.
hit the nail on the head with that. I've seen so many leftists horseshoe into this perverted self righteousness. and it is even more frustrating when they act like they are directly involved in a conflict they really have nothing to do with.
Well fucking said.
If you're on an instance that doesn't defederate from lemmygrad, maybe you should find a new instance or complain to your admins instead of acting like all of lemmy is lemmygrad.
Yes but lemmygrad and hexbear are hardly representative of the fediverse.
Of course, I don't think I implied that. What I meant to say is that they were very active yesterday on any thread about Hamas' terrorist attack to defend them.
Yeah I hear that. I’ve definitely been liberally blocking instances
How does one block an instance? That's not a feature on Lemmy, at least not on personal settings.
Sync and Connect can do it. Possibly other apps as well. It's also coming up in the next version as a lemmy-wide feature.
On boost you can mute instances.
No, but the original person this discussion started with did imply that.
What about ML?
Not to mention how they see Palestinians as pawns
They almost always circlejerk themselves into admitting one of the reasons they're so giddy about civilian slaughter is because they think it'll mean resources will be diverted from Ukraine so daddy Putin can conquer it and genocide those kulaks like grampappy Stalin did!
I believe your instance has hexbear blocked. They were all over the top of /All yesterday celebrating these attacks and being generally immature. I even saw one post wishing Bernie Sanders was dead after he released a statement condemning the attacks.
I don't understand why some instances keep being federated with them.
~~Actually seems like lemmy.world is linked to hexbear.~~
I was wrong, they are not linked.
They're smart, they spread over different instances. Blocking a single instance helps but won't stop them from trying to influence the Fediverse.
Maybe you just weren't as active then, or not subscribed to the most active communities. I wasn't too active over the weekend and here's how I'm finding out
Not really. The two instances that aren't on the blocked list don't actually point to real domains. And if they are managing to sneak through lemmy.world, somebody should let the admins know about it.
Aha! I only checked on lemmy.world itself but didn't inspect the instance closely, it just had the same name.
The entire situation is fubar. I feel for the citizens of both Israel and Palestine as both countries are just horrible to each other. To me it feels like there is no good side, whatever you choose, you end up with one form of evil x.x
I wish there would be a good way to solve this but I am not sure that this will be fixed any time soon. Hopefully the bloodshed will be minimal, because hoping for none at all would be futile
I can see how it feels that way when looking at a snapshot of the conflict (of any conflict) without knowing/examining any history or material conditions
I don't understand what you mean, would you elaborate?
Someone hasn't been to hexbear and lemmygrad today.
Literally in this thread right now.
https://lemmy.world/comment/4279203
Yeah and the Hamas supporting comments are downvoted to hell. Where is the problem?
In this thread yeah, but in other ones they're at the top.
Which ones?
https://lemmy.world/post/6485742
Most there are like "yeah murdering and raping innocent civilians is bad but what choice do the poor Palestinians have after Israel stole their land".
Top 8 comments in that thread condemn it. The ninth one is downvoted to hell.
Here, for example: https://lemmy.world/comment/4223593
Or https://lemmy.world/comment/4224328
Looks to me more like a healthy discussion /:
24 up, 6 down
Just keep reading the replies from V H. He gets more apologist as you go farther down.
I disagree with this person but they aren't exactly Hamas supporters. I was expecting something more clear than just comments that could only vaguely be regarded as supportive/excusing of violence.
We have different definitions of "vaguely", I guess.
This person is not excusing killing civilians, they're shifting the blame to Israel as a colonizer. This is a legitimate point to make and discuss with others.
I think you might be reading too much into it.
How can you say "this is not the fault of the killers, but of the colonizers who incited them" and not also be excusing the killers? "Look what you made me do" is classic abuser psychology.
I don't know, with a colonial reading of it, you could make that argument. Like I said, I don't agree, but it's not exactly pro-Hamas (which is what this discussion is about)
That seemed like a pretty calm and rational discussion about this horrible situation with people on both sides getting upvoted and the pro Hamas people at the bottom mostly getting down voted. Seems fine to me.
24 up, 6 down
It's not a pro-Hamas comment. People who see the world in black and white like you are fucking scary man.