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A Staten Island woman buying pot from a local deli got into a misunderstanding with the cashier — who ended up macing her, dragging​ her outside by her hair, kicking her in the head and mistakenly calling her trans.

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[–] darq@kbin.social 352 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This is the consequence of the hatred that transphobes, garden variety conservatives and TERFs alike, have stoked. And the narrative that the media has gleefully ran with.

Being visibly trans or gender-non-conforming nowadays is genuinely scary in a way I think a lot of people don't fully understand. And of course when femininity is being policed, women of colour tend to suffer too, even if they are cisgender.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 166 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When you're so anti-trans you loop around and become anti-cis.

I think these people might just be anti-women.

DING DING DING. They can "get away with" hating trans women more easily, but it's just a stepping stone on the way to Gilead for them.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Racism, Misogyny and transphobia have always come from a similar place and build off of each other. They share the same narratives and the same desire for ostracization and oppression. Bigots will always ally with other bigots, as this hatred is not rational and only someone with similarly irrational hate could support you. Dig enough in bigoted communities and you are certain to find all different kinds of hatred.

That's why TERF communities are infested with homophobia, misogyny, racism, antisemitism and Islamophobia. Over time the concentration of white supremacy and nazism has grown exponentially in terf communities. Nazis share many of the same goals and many of the same conspiracies that terfs do. And prominent terfs like Kelly Jay Keen openly ally with Christian white nationalists around the world.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

I'd argue that the TERF perspective is fundamentally anti-male rather than (or maybe in addition to) misogynistic.

The specific position TERFs hold that makes them TERFs is that you cannot become a woman if you weren't born one and that women should be granted certain special protections and spaces of their own, kept free from men.

That's why TERFs ALWAYS frame trans issues in the form of men dressing up as women to infiltrate women's spaces and women's services. They could give a shit about trans men, it's all trans women because trans women are the ones using things that in their eyes should be the sole provenance of "real" women.

[–] maxenmajs@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

The instigators responsible will keep getting away with it. They're very careful to use the right dog whistles and key words to avoid getting deplatformed and they still cause their followers to act like this.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago

Being visibly trans or gender-non-conforming nowadays

And she's neither of those things anyhow. She will find out the guy's name & address in Discovery & he will go to prison for hate crime + assault.

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel we need to change that little children's rhyme to be a bit more accurate

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can lead to pogroms" or something like that

[–] stjobe@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've always been partial to "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can really hurt me".

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sticks and stone may break my bones, but words will hurt forever

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but will make me gut ya.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"Pen is mightier than sword" expresses this idea already.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

They know. That's why they do it. Most of them remember the days when it was the same for gay men.

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

They've also been stoking the "Black women look trans" narrative for a while, especially focused on Michelle Obama. I listen to Knowldge Fight so I've heard so many disgusting Alex Jones clips of him calling her Mike.